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rodeotiki
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Jan 21, 2004
Posts: 1513
From: calgary
Posted: 2006-04-30 10:35 am   Permalink

"Many of you have found your way here through my sig on TC, or by way of other TC members.

Most of the founders of this site came to know each other on TC.

Officially, these should be the only ties between TC and BH.

Contrary to what seems to be passed around, this site was not created for the sole purpose of "bashing" TC." this is from Purplejades site.

The thread titled " I am so done with Tc " is meant for what I ask you Pj. (edited to contain proper Title)

I joined Balihijinks and after reading some of what was there I emailed Pj and asked that she delete my membership.

I also didnt like reading what some members there had written about members here. Sure if you have a issue with someone its your right to say it, But to say it in a closed forum where people are unable to see what was written about them or to fire back is a load of Bullshit!!

Pj sent me a email defending her site and saying that there are 2000 posts on Balihijinks and less than 10% are about TC. She went on to say that TC is being over censored and people are no longer free to say what they want.

Why am I telling what Purplejade wrote to me ? Because I previously stated that some of the Pm's sent here were being posted on her site. To wich she responded that Pm's are someones property and if they choose to post them on her site that there is nothing she can do about that.
If anyone wants a copy of my email I will forward it to you as it is mine and mine to do what I want with.

Pj is correct in that I dont know both sides of peoples issues with members here or there , but to spout off in a closed forum is wrong in my book.

Monkeyman is good people in my book and seeing what was said about him after he left BH was not cool. As stated before , some people here I would have a hard time knowing wether they are coming or going as they seemed to be 2 faced.





[ This Message was edited by: rodeotiki 2006-05-01 13:37 ]


 
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hiltiki
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Joined: Jun 10, 2004
Posts: 3109
From: Reseda, calif.
Posted: 2006-04-30 8:09 pm   Permalink

This is getting better and better every time I check here. I didn't realize TC made some people craaaazy!!!

 
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Tipsy McStagger
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Joined: Nov 21, 2004
Posts: 3520
From: HELL
Posted: 2006-05-01 07:39 am   Permalink

..TC never made anyone crazy...it just attracts crazy people.

 
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Unga Bunga
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Joined: Jun 06, 2003
Posts: 5819
From: CaliTikifornia
Posted: 2006-05-01 09:52 am   Permalink

To put anyone's mind at ease, I have seen NO bashing of Tiki Central on Balihijinks.
It's simply just another website, and I like visiting here and there both.
Believe me, there is no "fire".


 
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rodeotiki
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Joined: Jan 21, 2004
Posts: 1513
From: calgary
Posted: 2006-05-01 11:52 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2006-05-01 09:52, Unga Bunga wrote:
To put anyone's mind at ease, I have seen NO bashing of Tiki Central on Balihijinks.
It's simply just another website, and I like visiting here and there both.
Believe me, there is no "fire".



Not of TC ,just some of its members.
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purple jade
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Joined: Feb 19, 2003
Posts: 1450
From: New Orleans
Posted: 2006-05-01 1:30 pm   Permalink

[quote]

The thread titled " I am so F#$*ing done with Tc " is meant for what I ask you Pj.


Just for the record, there is no thread entitled "I am so Fucking done with TC".
There is a thread entitled "I'm Done with TC, too" however.

And it was meant, I assume, for the member who posted it to say that he would not be posting on TC anymore.







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rodeotiki
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Joined: Jan 21, 2004
Posts: 1513
From: calgary
Posted: 2006-05-01 1:53 pm   Permalink

On 2006-05-01 13:30, purple jade wrote:
Quote:


The thread titled " I am so F#$*ing done with Tc " is meant for what I ask you Pj.


Just for the record, there is no thread entitled "I am so Fucking done with TC".
There is a thread entitled "I'm Done with TC, too" however.

And it was meant, I assume, for the member who posted it to say that he would not be posting on TC anymore.



My bad, I was going from memory and will edit my post to contain the proper title.

Quote:

On 2006-04-29 06:22, purple jade wrote:
(Please make no replies to this thread, I will not see them.)


Okay.

One more thing

Quote:

On 2006-04-29 06:22, purple jade wrote:
Apparently our sin is in the saying of it openly and without shame.



There isnt much about being open in a private forum, and for someone without shame you seem a bit defensive. But your not reading this so I will stop now.


 
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Jeff Central
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Joined: Jul 23, 2002
Posts: 1590
From: Columbus, Ohio
Posted: 2006-05-01 1:57 pm   Permalink

Did I miss something? One minute I am contributing money for Purple Jade's Katrina Relief Fund, the next minute she has a website with threads bashing TC members! Maybe that's why I have seen Purple Jade Mugs on eBay. Hmmmmm.....

There is definitely something more than meets the eye here. Anyone know the TRUE story? Curious minds want to know.

Cheers and Mahalo,
Jeff






 
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Monkeyman
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Joined: Mar 04, 2003
Posts: 2368
From: Vista, CA
Posted: 2006-05-01 3:04 pm   Permalink

Let me put this to bed before it goes much farther.

This is not a Purple Jade issue. I donít wish her ANY ill will and she does not deserve anyone elseís judgement. Her mug sale was hugely successful because it was a quality product and it was for a purpose we all believed (and still believe) in. It was also successful because of the donated time and materials of others. I cannot even begin to comprehend PJs personal challenges right now and certainly am disappointed in myself that I may have added to them.

While it is true that it might be a stretch to refer to our many internet friends as family (or ohana), it is not a stretch to realize that we spend a large chunk of time here associating directly with a relatively small group. While many of us will not ever meet eachother in person, that does not diminish the fact that we know more about what is going on in eachothers lives than some of us know about our own siblings and neighbors.

The dynamics here on the internet are very similar to what we might experience in a "real life" social group. There are sly witty people, quiet observers, class clowns, artistic folks, devout supporters (The "Junior High" effect). Some are loyal to their friends and some are not. Some donít mind making a big stink and some are so afraid of conflict that they overtly avoid having an opinion or taking a side. Im not judging which one is the better choice but only that those differences are ALL here in this group.

We all know that the internet is NOT the best way to interact with people because its easy to take things too seriously, out of context, not understanding the joke, not seeing the body language etc. The worst part is that some hurtful comments sit here in blistering text for all to read and re-read and re-read. In a ďliveĒ social setting, many of our discussions would never become heated, not many would worry too much about them. We would slap each other on the back and realize our friendship is more important than being "right".

I am not the first person to over react to something I disagreed with here on the web. Many others have as well. I am also not the first person to have stated an opinion or comment on something only to later realize that it was not the nicest or smartest thing to post. Itís easy to be insensitive to others until it happens to you. Then you can either respond with anger or reason. Itís easy to be angry and feel that YOUR point is the justified one. Its harder to step back, see both sides and realize that some disputes arenít worth having.

I joined the Bali Hijinks because I saw a long list of names that I recognized. A list of names that I have enjoyed interacting with and visiting with in person over the years. So I requested entry to the site and it was granted. My admission was prefaced with a warning/disclaimer that if I prefer the civilized PC environment of Tiki Central (I know some of you might laugh) that Bali Hijinks might not be the best forum for me. Purple Jade knows me well enough to tell me what I should be ready for (she was right!).

I initially liked the fact that the alternate forum provided all of us a ďventĒ to discuss things that might cause problems on a totally open forum. Within a short period of time I realized that I found the regular complaining or backstabbing comments unhealthy for me. I do not profess to be completely innocent in this regard. It wasnít much longer when folks were making unkind comments about TCers that I held in high regard. Then it was quickly apparent to me that a forum like this was NOT the right forum for me (Just as PJ had warned). It truly does promote a two faced persona. Itís a super fine line we walk when saying unkind things about people you ďhopeĒ wont find out about it. The only way it will work is if your friends donít stick up for you and donít tell you about it.

I have a hard time listening to others comment about my friends and not say anything about it. I have the unfortunate personality trait of saying what I feel and if I feel if someone is being unkind to people I like that someone should stick up for them. I was that fool. I tried to rebuke broad comments about TC. It was upsetting to see private PMs and quotes from the TC forums discussed where the vilified few could not defend themselves.

I could have simply withdrawn and decided it wasnít my cup of tea but in a forum where anything goes I couldnít see the harm in interjecting my position. Apparently I said the exact wrong thing because my comments were strongly opposed and I was unfortunately put in my place. I will say that if I ever asked for loyal and trustworthy friends, Dawntiki and Rodeo would be on the top of the list.

We donít need anymore uglyness in this group and I have played my part in making it ugly again. For that I will apologize. Lets not worry about what is happening on BaliHijinks and instead focus on why we're are here on Tiki Central. Because we like Tiki Stuff (yes PJ its mostly junk but it makes us happy to surround ourselves with it) and by accident found out that WE LIKE OTHER TIKI PEOPLE.

Oasis is upon us yet again and many of us will be there. Lets remind ourselves on what it means to have friends that enjoy what we do and also realize how much our lives would be different (worse) without this fascinating collective of interesting people.

Lets move on. No more hatingÖ.. There is already enough of that in the world.



 
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Matt Reese
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Joined: May 09, 2005
Posts: 1151
From: San Diego
Posted: 2006-05-01 3:17 pm   Permalink

Perfectly stated.

 
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purple jade
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Joined: Feb 19, 2003
Posts: 1450
From: New Orleans
Posted: 2006-05-01 3:53 pm   Permalink

I have asked Hanford to delete this thread.

I and the other founders of Bali Hijinks created that forum so that we would not distrupt Tiki Central again. By posting this thread, I have done just that, and it was a grievous error on my part.

It was not my intention to justify the existence of BH here on TC. I realize that this is just not possible.

I sincerely apologize for bringing this up on TC, it has no place here and I hope it will never happen again.

PJ



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hanford_lemoore
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Joined: Mar 23, 2002
Posts: 1870
From: Tiki Central
Posted: 2006-05-01 4:57 pm   Permalink

Quote:
It was not my intention to justify the existence of BH here on TC. I realize that this is just not possible.



Of course it's possible, it's just that in an open and honest environment you're not going to get 100% agreement.

On a serious note, I wouldn't say that this was a taboo topic, but I do think it shows why as Tiki Central grew, more and more people chose to avoid creating or participating in divisive topics, even when they relish honesty and openness. I'm locking it based on PJ's and other's requests.

[the above message may contain one or more of the following: sarcasm, satire, parody, and honesty]


 
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