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Bacardi Is to Bring Havana Club Rum Back to the U.S.
Brandomoai
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Posted: 2010-06-07 08:26 am   Permalink

It seems Bacardi has been up to this sort of thing before. I stumbled across an interesting (well, maybe "interesting" isn't the word...) article on Bacardi's attempts to trademark their own faux-Cuban brand in Canada, Old Havana.
http://www.robic.ca/publications/Pdf/142.162-BGA.pdf
This was a bit before my time as a rum drinker, in the mid-90s. I get the impression this brand was available for a period of time, but I don't remember.


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aquaorama
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Posted: 2011-05-02 11:26 am   Permalink

Just got back from 5 days in Grand Cayman and brought a 1 liter back (As well as a few other yummy rums)....I was a little worried that TSA might take it but they didn't care.... Definitely a good deal for $10 US.





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mikehooker
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Posted: 2016-07-21 3:44 pm   Permalink

Bumping this old thread as I didn't see it when I posed the question about Puerto Rican Havana Club over here (Thanks Swiz):

http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=51530&forum=10&3


Strange this thread began a decade ago when Castro was getting ill and everyone assumed the embargo would soon be lifted, yet here we are nearing the end of the Obama administration where restrictions have been lax and we're still having to go to Canada, Mexico and elsewhere to get Cuban rum. I'm curious, when Bacardi launched their Havana Club branding after obtaining the US trademark, did the product ever make it outside of Florida where they initially planned to market it? I just recently started seeing the Blanco and Classico Puerto Rican-made Havana Club in Texas. Is this the same product they were talking about back then? JenTiki shared this very recent review of the Anejo Classico, making me think it was just released:

http://www.drinkhacker.com/2016/07/10/review-havana-club-anejo-classico-puerto-rican-rum-bacardi/

So maybe they only launched the white rum before? Whatever the case, I'm assuming it wasn't a success being that it wasn't more widespread and is just now surfacing again, conveniently as Cuban travel is starting to open up.

The newspaper reports on this thread state that the Havana Club being produced in Cuba since 1960 hasn't followed the Arechabala's family recipe and Ramon Arechabala says that the Havana Club that is produced by the Cuban government and Pernod Ricard is awful as far as he's concerned and not drinkable. And that the recipe they sold to Bacardi in the 90s is the original and therefore better. Obviously he had a vested interest in encouraging the sale of Bacardi's new product, but his point doesn't take into consideration the fact that the soil producing sugar cane in Puerto Rico differs from that of Cuba and other climatory conditions which assuredly contribute to the final taste. Presumably we'll never be able to taste Havana Club as it was made before the Castro take over.

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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2016-07-21 4:02 pm   Permalink

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On 2016-07-21 15:44, mikehooker wrote:
I just recently started seeing the Blanco and Classico Puerto Rican-made Havana Club in Texas.
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...the recipe they sold to Bacardi in the 90s is the original and therefore better.



Interesting, Mike. To have the original recipe is one thing, but I think in the case of Havana Club you must also have the original yeast strains, right?

The Puerto Rican product has appeared at my local Total Wine, and I snapped the photos below to share here. No word on when I'll "buy and try," but maybe someday. Maybe. Definitely if the reviews are really positive.

You're right, we may never again get to taste the "real" pre-revolution Havana Club. What a shame. I read online somewhere that the yeasts were sampled and taken by the family, and the remainder was destroyed just hours before the armed forces took over the distillery. I don't know the lineage of the yeasts being used today in Cuba.










 
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arriano
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Posted: 2016-07-21 4:18 pm   Permalink

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On 2016-07-21 16:02, AceExplorer wrote:

Interesting, Mike. To have the original recipe is one thing, but I think in the case of Havana Club you must also have the original yeast strains, right?




Excellent point. Also, Bacardi's version isn't made with Cuban molasses and Cuban water, and specific flavors come from all three ingredients. Therefore, it's different than the original. Plus, there's no way of knowing for sure that Havana Club from Cuba isn't using the "original recipe" as well. I would guess that most of the Havana Club workers stayed on after the Revolution and would have firsthand knowledge of the process the company used.
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mikehooker
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Posted: 2016-08-01 12:01 pm   Permalink

'Nother article, this one way more in depth...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/havana-club-v-havana-club-inside-the-rum-war-between-bacardi-and-cuba/2016/07/22/57c32a06-2cb4-11e6-9b37-42985f6a265c_story.html

From reading previous articles, I was under the impression that in the 70s when the trademark expired the US denied HC the opportunity to renew and eventually Bacardi, who was operating outside of Cuba, took it over. This clearly states that the family opted to not renew the trademark based on bad advice. Regardless, the product Bacardi is calling Havana Club and even the HC that's being made in Cuba these days is not the same as what was on the market before the revolution. Would be very interesting to know the difference between the taste then and now but good luck finding a 60 year old bottle to compare them.

As a side note, I found it suspect that during the blind taste test in which they threw in a couple extra variables, they immediately dismissed Cana Brava. I think that's a quality white rum superior to Flor de Cana and other whites readily available to us. The true taste test of these rums would be in a Daiquiri, me thinks.


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