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Discussion on the "objectives" of tiki art�
squid
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Posted: 2009-06-25 3:00 pm   Permalink

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On 2009-06-25 13:32, Clarita wrote:

so i think that to make tiki art meaningful specially because it comes from a not very nice thing, the important thing would be to try to make your OWN paradise in the way, and share that with the world... that's why i do it...




BINGO

It encompasses the good and the bad. But you make what you want of it. You can overlook the bad in your work but you should be aware of it.

After all, the Poly-pop movement was born of fantasy and escapism by combining multiple cultures and even some imaginary ones. We're just creating new fantasies based on the first wave (and traditional) and hopefully stretching it into new territory. There's room for "deep" and political content but it's definitely not required to make great art.

[Edited by squid because one sentence made absolutely no sense at all. I do that sometimes. And Kinny, Scanners is the most raddest movie ever, except for maybe The Transatlantic Feedback.]

[ This Message was edited by: squid 2009-06-25 15:11 ]


 
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Limbo Lizard
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Posted: 2009-06-25 3:54 pm   Permalink

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On 2009-06-25 11:08, little lost tiki wrote:
How about a Remorseful Cannibal?





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little lost tiki
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Posted: 2009-06-25 3:55 pm   Permalink

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On 2009-06-25 15:00, squid wrote:
[Edited by squid because one sentence made absolutely no sense at all. I do that sometimes. And Kinny, Scanners is the most raddest movie ever, except for maybe The Transatlantic Feedback.]



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GROG
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Posted: 2009-06-25 4:02 pm   Permalink

On 2009-06-25 13:32, Clarita wrote:

so i think that to make tiki art meaningful specially because it comes from a not very nice thing, the important thing would be to try to make your OWN paradise in the way, and share that with the world... that's why i do it...

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This is one of the best quotes EVER.


 
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squid
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Posted: 2009-06-25 4:04 pm   Permalink

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On 2009-06-25 10:10, palapala wrote:

(By the by...Don't blame Hewey...this thread was asleep for 2 1/2 years before I gave it a "Princess charming" kiss to wake it up 2 days ago!)




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Posted: 2009-06-25 5:03 pm   Permalink

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On 2006-12-28 21:36, hewey wrote:

But when comparing tiki art to more mainstream/highbrow art, one of the biggest differences I see is a lack of political and social observations/criticisms. I would suggest that very few tiki artists create work that challenges the audience to think beyond �oooh, that�s pretty�.

[ This Message was edited by: hewey 2006-12-30 19:39 ]



Lack of political and social observations? Really? Tell that to Thor.






 
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MadDogMike
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Posted: 2009-06-25 6:43 pm   Permalink

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On 2009-06-24 18:36, squid wrote:




So this represents Western civilization raping and pillaging artifacts from primitive cultures? I can see that.

I'm no deep thinker. I hated when we had to do a socio-political piece in ceramics class, I could have used the time and the 3 bucks worth of clay to make a mediocre Tiki mug. The "Piss Christ" doesn't provoke any deep thought in my head other than "I can't believe they made such a fuss over this" Throwing a bucketful of paint on a canvas may relieve someone's frustration, but I don't feel it can convey to the viewer the feeling of angst over the inequities of those who feel persecuted because they don't like maple syrup. I don't buy into one word poetry. I think it's no coincidence that the rise in abstract art corresponds with the availability of mind altering drugs.

Please don't take this as a personal attack on artists and I love most of the artwork posted on TC. I just know I'm too left-brained to ever be much of an artist or to even fully appreciate anything other than decorative art.

EDIT - I don't think rap music is art either

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palapala
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Posted: 2009-06-25 7:14 pm   Permalink

UHH,,Is Rum a mind altering drug?
BTW, the contents of my silly photo tiki jar, was a fine heady earl grey tea... not a sickly pee-pee specimen....I wouldn't waste rum...That's a real sin against art!
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4WDtiki
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Posted: 2009-06-25 7:37 pm   Permalink

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On 2009-06-25 13:32, Clarita wrote:
I've seen stuff refer as KU that were a pole with eyes...


Not to ignore the rest of your great post Clarita, but I LOVE this line!

Other than that, I'm not smart or deep enough to contribute to this thread.


 
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Jungle Trader
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Posted: 2009-06-25 8:07 pm   Permalink

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Lack of political and social observations? Really? Tell that to Thor.




The only other place I have seen a Ballchinian is in "Men in Black" Maybe they really do exist.


 
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squid
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Posted: 2009-06-26 12:07 am   Permalink

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On 2009-06-25 18:43, MadDogMike wrote:
Quote:

On 2009-06-24 18:36, squid wrote:




So this represents Western civilization raping and pillaging artifacts from primitive cultures? I can see that.





Yes and no. This represents squid making a silly cartoon at the Squidco World Headquarters Annex and Caffeinated Beverage Emporium (Starbucks). Babalu saw social commentary in it on my "other crafts" thread.

http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=32509&forum=18&start=105&114

It was apparently in the back of my mind but that was not the intention of the cartoon. So I made a funny doodle and someone saw something deeper, which prompted a discussion. Everyone derives something different from every piece of art they see, tiki or not. Something that's "hard hitting" to me may be "eh, whatever" to someone else. That's the great thing about art AND music. One size does not fit all.



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Tiki Shark Art
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Posted: 2009-06-26 8:17 pm   Permalink

Damn Haoles!

 
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Tiki Shark Art
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Posted: 2009-06-26 9:00 pm   Permalink

... oh, wait a minute... I forgot... I'M a hoale!

Nevermind.


 
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Kiki von Tiki
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Posted: 2009-06-26 9:47 pm   Permalink

Squid said "Everyone derives something different from every piece of art they see, tiki or not. Something that's "hard hitting" to me may be "eh, whatever" to someone else. That's the great thing about art AND music. One size does not fit all. "

Agreed. Art is and should be a visual interpretation of an idea or feeling. Those who are not of a mind with the artist will not see it in the same way. But they just may derive something else from it that even the artist didn't mean to express. Art is meant to express and create feelings, whether they are silly and playful feelings or angst ridden socio-political doctrines.

And regarding the earlier postings regarding "craft" vs "art", I have to say, did we learn nothing from the dadaists and surrealists? Trash can be composed into art, a teacup can be lined in fur and be art. If I pile elephant poop in the corner (and, yes, kiddles, this HAS been done) and say it's art, then by gum, it is art, since it is (assumedly) some expression of an idea or feeling that I had. You either get it or you don't, you may like it or you don't, but that doesn't mean it's not art.

There is some modern tiki art that is TIKI ART in the big historical context that is interesting and beautiful but not very inspiring to me. Sorry. I can read a book and look at pictures of indigenous art (which was "craft" to those people by the way) and understand the beauty and skill of the work they did. Doesn't say that it's not valuable to me, or interesting, I just don't have a connection with the artist. And then there's some that's more "craft" and that's ok too, I enjoy it for being a decorative object or beautiful useful object and value the skill of the craftsperson. That's where I hang my own hat, by the way, as a craftsperson. But that doesn't mean that the "craft" is like something from a Michaels store, craftspeople work hard to made beautiful and useful things, but things that do not necessarily contain social commentary or are meant to inspire and emote. We make mugs and sculptures and purses and jewelry that you might like to have around because they are beautiful and well made and add happiness and value to your daily existence.

Then there are the artists that just so happen to throw out a tiki themed piece along with some of their other art, or maybe tiki art is the majority of their work, doesn't matter. They enjoy the theme, it moves them and inspires them to create an image or a mood. They do their homework so the get the TIKI part right but it is all about their own interpretation of that idea. THOSE are the atists that I'm thrilled to get a chance to see what they are working on, what's coming out of their heads next. Whether they are TIKI or tiki doesn't matter. I want to see what they have to say and want to see the tiki stuff as well as anything else they feel compelled to show me. That to me is the exciting stuff. And it doesn't matter if it's palm wood, paint on canvas, ceramic, fabric, silver or elephant poop. But then I'm proably more of an art groupie first and a tiki freak secondly.

One of the reasons I was so enthralled by this community was because of all the amazing artists AND craftspeople that contribute here. I love to see the inspiration and then the interpretation from a creative mind and a skilled hand. That to me is the nature of this community and the basis of the first "wave" of tiki as well. The interpretation of an idea or feeling whether it is art or craft, or a combination of both.

There's my missive . . . just my opinion (and yes, I know we all have one). Sling your arrows or your elephant poop as you will, I just had to throw my 10 cents worth in there.

Love yas!
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MadDogMike
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Posted: 2009-06-26 10:10 pm   Permalink

I've re-examined my heart and found that wrapping a Caribbean island in pink nylon DOES say something to my soul; it says "This man has too much time and money"

I am antagonizing you guys and I apologize. I'll leave now
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