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Scottes
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Posted: 2007-03-07 1:35 pm   Permalink

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The mai tai on the left is from the Warehouse with triple sec and sweet & sour
On the right is mine with curacao and fresh lime juice that I challenged them with recently.


Did you win the challenge?
More importantly, did they change their recipe?


 
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DJ Terence Gunn
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Posted: 2007-03-07 1:59 pm   Permalink

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On 2007-03-07 12:57, Ojaitimo wrote:
The mai tai on the left is from the Warehouse with triple sec and sweet & sour
On the right is mine with curacao and fresh lime juice that I challenged them with recently.



Don't stop there. Use triple sec and fresh lime juice in one, Curacao and fresh lime juice in the other, and compare the tastes -- blindly, with somebody who you can trust to fool you. I'm not sure where you're getting the sweet n sour from, which certainly does not belong in a mai tai.

But the proof of the mai tai is not only in the making, but the tasting. If any of you are ever in Seattle this summer, drop me an email, come to The Shrunken Head Lounge, and I will show you -- via your taste buds -- that you won't be able to taste the difference between a triple sec mai tai and a Curacao one. Preceding this we will, of course, blind taste test various triple secs, Cointreau, and Curacao.

And as far as the whole Potters Curacao vs. other brands' prices go, Curacao and Cointreau are twice, if not more, as expensive as triple sec. I don't think the Potters Curacao is actually a real Curacao, either.

Original recipe or no, Curacao, Cointrea, Grand Marnier, and Triple Sec are all the same thing: orange liqueur. Straight drinking of them, served at room temperature, will reveal subtle differences between all of them (which is hardly worth the very unsubtle differences in price). But served cold in a mixed cocktail, where its flavour is to merely suggest and complement the overall flavour, one will find no difference.


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Ojaitimo
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Posted: 2007-03-07 4:39 pm   Permalink

Well, they are not using grenandine in the mix any longer but still use the sweet and sour. A little progress I suppose.The Warehouse is currently owned by Lee Spencer who I was talking to the other night. He was headed over to Trader Vic's, "I need to see it while it still there." Lee grew up loving tiki and Don the Beachcombers where his parents frequently took him as a child in 1949.
Lee bought the Warehouse about 10 years ago from his friend Burt Hixon a cinematographer who had traveled world wide like Bigbrotiki. Burt now lives in Mexico and visits when he is in town.
John Wayne who was Burts friend helped him build it in Marina Del Rey, California. If you check out the gallery in the front( You will need a good hour) you can see it was quite the place in its day.
The upstairs photographs of his travels are not to be missed either. Happy hour is a great time before the dinner crowds to look around.
In Taboo Table, Jeff Berry has the signature drink from the Warehouse so the history of great drink making is there. Jeff, help us Obiwan.
Tryng to convince them to use fresh limes and once again make drinks like Burt did,(apparently he was a great mixologist) may take a visit from you. I thougtht about bringing a case of limes in and seeing how long it would take to juice a gallons worth of juice. I'm guessing 20 minutes.

So what is the difference between triple sec and curacao then? Why do the same distillers make both? A while back this same sort of issue came up about Orgeat vs Falernum last year. Someone was insisting that there was no difference between orgeat and falernum. Beachbum Berry at great personal risk; He trys to avoid Tiki Central because we are too addictive for him here at TC.Recently at the Tiki Ti, Sven laughed when he heard that. "Yeah, I'm late for shoots some mornings because I have to tear myself away from Tiki Central. But to settle this triple sec vs curacao issue maybe you can settle it Jeff?

I'd like to see the Shrunken Head Lounge if I am in Seattle and try your test for myself DJ. Any photos you can post?
Big Tiki Dude, you mentioned going to the Warehouse after Vacation Fest and if it was on a weekend, there is no happy hour on Sat or Sun. Its Mon to Fri 4pm to 6pm.

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teaKEY
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Posted: 2007-03-09 06:28 am   Permalink

Let me be the first to answer the question. Yes, I have tried it. I have a glass short of a full bottle sitting in my fridge. Now I bought it cause I can't get bottles of any of the materials that go into a Mai Tai. Was looking into a website that sold TV mix for $5 and could get a couple but shipping costs were more than the product shipped. I know that I'm going to break down and ship in the good stuff, but back to Chi CHi. I've had great cocktails in the last year but never a good Mai Tai. I really don't have any comparison but that Chi Chi stuff starts out smelling bad. The taste, (it calls for just pour over ice) you can't cover it up. I even tried mixing with OJ to cover the taste and you still can't. I knew from its hot pink/orange color it wasn't high in regards but I was desperate here in the frozen lands. They should sell that bottle with a clothes-pin. But maybe that bottle will be worth something seeing how I may be the only person to buy it.
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Ojaitimo
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Posted: 2007-03-11 5:20 pm   Permalink

Ok, I guess its too dangerous for the Bum to come on Tiki Central himself so here is his response regarding Curacao vs Triple Sec.

On 3/8/07, Tim Keenan <ojaitim@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Jeff,

Could you weigh in on this discussion regarding triple sec and curacao on TC?
Thanks Tim

Aloha Ojaitimo,

Yes, triple sec, Cointreau, Curacao and Gran Marnier are all orange-based. That doesn't mean they're interchangable. Sausage, ham, bacon and pork ribs are all pig-based. Do they taste the same? The difference between Curacao, which is distilled from the dried peels of bitter oranges, and triple sec, which is a sweeter orange-flavored product, is pronounced. To take a non-Tiki example: there are hundreds of Margarita recipes, most calling for triple sec and some for Cointreau -- but I've never seen one that substitutes Curacao for triple sec. That should tell us something about subbing triple sec for Curacao in a Trader Vic Mai Tai. In the words of Grandmaster Flash: "Don't do it!" That is, if you want a true, classic Mai Tai. Everyone has different tastes -- so if you happen to prefer triple sec over Curacao, make your Mai Tai with triple sec. Drinking is all about making yourself happy!

Cheers, Bum


 
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velveteenlounge
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Posted: 2007-03-12 11:43 am   Permalink

My husband won a bottle of premade mix as a door prize and we gave it away. However, it is fun to entertain yourself in the supermarket by comparing ingredients on the bottles of mai tai mix, margarita mix, whiskey sour mix, sweet and sour mix, etc. They're all virtually the same thing with different combinations of food coloring! It kills me that someone out there might buy each different bottle for different cocktails. I picture a roomful of marketing executives dreaming up more ways to sell the same thing to the unsuspecting masses.


 
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DJ Terence Gunn
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Posted: 2007-03-12 10:40 pm   Permalink

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On 2007-03-12 11:43, velveteenlounge wrote:
It kills me that someone out there might buy each different bottle for different cocktails. I picture a roomful of marketing executives dreaming up more ways to sell the same thing to the unsuspecting masses.



Much like orange-flavoured liqueurs!

But yes, it really is funny and pathetic -- all these different varieties of artificially coloured and sweetened liquids, all at varying prices. And don't anyone EVEN get me started on that green urine called Roses Lime Juice, that is supposed to pass as real lime juice! I've stored lime juice in bottles before, for quite a long period, as well, and it never tasted anything like the aforementioned swill.


 
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DemeraraDrinker
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Posted: 2007-03-28 2:12 pm   Permalink

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Much like orange-flavoured liqueurs!

But yes, it really is funny and pathetic -- all these different varieties of artificially coloured and sweetened liquids, all at varying prices. And don't anyone EVEN get me started on that green urine called Roses Lime Juice, that is supposed to pass as real lime juice! I've stored lime juice in bottles before, for quite a long period, as well, and it never tasted anything like the aforementioned swill.



Yeah, Rose's is rot gut. Note that Rose's is a sweetened lime juice (for a Gimlet). It is not meant to be straight lime juice. For a better one, check out this:

http://www.stirrings.com/ingredientskeylime.php

And Rose's grenadine is even worse than their Lime Juice.

As far as Mai Tai mixes go, Trader Vic meant for the rum to shine through the mixer (the 17 year old original especially) and not be covered up. So even if someone made a "good" Mai Tai mix, it would still be a non sequitur for me.
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