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hodadhank
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Joined: Dec 28, 2005
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From: Mission Beach, CA
Posted: 2007-04-04 11:00 am   Permalink

With all due respect to Hanford and the wonderful wall he has provided us to scribble on, is it possible that Gman unintentionally said something perceived as provocative to Dragonaotearoa, to evoke such a response?

A friend who is a psychologist to law enforcement told me that offenses are determined by the offended. Intentional or not its the perception of offense that makes it legitimate.

I think it is particularly unfortunate that an actual Pacific Islander would be expelled from a forum which is based entirely around the derivative trappings of islander culture... due to a possible misunderstanding. - Hodadhank


 
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hanford_lemoore
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Joined: Mar 23, 2002
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From: Tiki Central
Posted: 2007-04-04 1:03 pm   Permalink

Quote:
On 2007-04-04 11:00, hodadhank wrote:
is it possible that Gman unintentionally said something perceived as provocative to Dragonaotearoa, to evoke such a response?



Yes, I think that's exactly what happened. But if everyone's attitude was "as long as no one crosses me I'm fine, but if they do I'll fly off the handle!" this place would be a disaster area. Because wires get crossed all the time. Unintentionally provocative comments are a plenty here. I think everyone knows that to enjoy a site like this you need to have tolerance.

(and for the record, GMAN didn't complain to me about Dragonatearoa's comment)





 
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Jungle Trader
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Joined: Jan 04, 2003
Posts: 3735
From: Trader's Jungle Outpost, Turlock, Ca.
Posted: 2007-04-04 6:07 pm   Permalink

I don't appreciate AlienTiki calling her a racist troll. Anyone getting busted for that?

 
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AlienTiki
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Joined: Jul 08, 2005
Posts: 424
From: MAUI No Ka'oi
Posted: 2007-04-05 01:26 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2007-04-04 18:07, Jungle Trader wrote:
I don't appreciate AlienTiki calling her a racist troll. Anyone getting busted for that?



First off I don't appreciate you misquoting me.

Secondly, attacking someone purely on cultural differences is racist, Plain and simple.

As for the troll comment, I take it you do not know the
definition of troll.

I have sent NO private messages to Hanford. Non the less the troll was banned and I rest my case.

So go on and beat that dead horse and whine and cry about what a big meany AlienTiki is.
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teaKEY
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Joined: Nov 09, 2004
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From: The thumb !
Posted: 2007-04-05 04:47 am   Permalink

I take it you do not know the definition of troll.

(Go on click the link)

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Jungle Trader
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From: Trader's Jungle Outpost, Turlock, Ca.
Posted: 2007-04-05 07:35 am   Permalink

Perfect example of what TC has become. Too much poop in the sandbox.

 
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Sneakytiki
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Joined: Mar 31, 2003
Posts: 1795
From: Boise, Idaho
Posted: 2007-04-05 10:23 am   Permalink

I for one don't think she is a racist. I think that calling her one was uncalled for. This matter is completely separate from whether or not she was a troll, quick to anger, threatening, etc..
I also thought that it was unfortunate that we had a native Maori on this board and they were banned. But ignoring the rules due to ethnicity would hardly be fair.

If we are going to use art and sacred figures from another culture, I believe a person from that culture has a right to ask why, and a right to say they disagree with it. If they think all this polypop stuff is disrespectful, fine, they don't have to partake in this forum. Colonized, brutalized, genocized peoples of the Western hemispere, Oceania, Australia, and Africa can think appropriation is disrespectful without it making them a racist. I have issues with parts of it myself. I enjoy the fun use of Indigenous art such as souvenir totem poles or tikis but i stay away from the coco joes lady with huge sagging boobs and big feet, mammy figures with duckbill lips and exaggerated phenotypical features etc. These things to me are definitely mocking another race or culture. Others on this board would disagree. That's fine. I'm not forced to participate in this forum and neither are they.

Appropriation isn't isolated to Western cultures and that's part of the reason I don't have a problem with it as long as it's not racist or blatantly disrespectful/mocking. I think there is much more admiration/imitation of Oceanic styles on this board then there is mockery. I've seen posts that were definitely taking a superior stance toward native religions, cultures etc. but thankfully those are the vast minority here.

Peace,
ST

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