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|  Posted: 2010-10-02 2:37 pm Permalink
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On 2007-06-26 11:29, Scottes wrote:
If we break this down a little...
...Limes have been done, as you mentioned.
...Different club sodas should have very little effect.
...The demerara is specified.
...Grapefruit is grapefruit (is it?)
So what we have to compare is the White & Dark rums.
If we limit to PR White - or close - again this should have very little effect in this drink. There's so many other strong flavors going on that I suspect most whites would disappear.
So as a component study, we have a few dark Jamaicans to compare. If this is it, I would pick a simpler drink, maybe one without a demerara.
I'm not trying to be a spoil-sport, honestly. If you know there's a noticeable difference between 2 formulas please let me know what I'm missing.
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Why is it that I always add a quarter shot of pimento dram. Somehow, I feel this is a necessary ingredient. Am I missing something or did I just make this up? Personally, I feel the pimento is necessary to capture the essence of a TV Navy Grog, with apologies of course to Phil Spector.
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MrBaliHai
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On 2010-10-02 14:37, telescopes wrote:
Why is it that I always add a quarter shot of pimento dram. Somehow, I feel this is a necessary ingredient. Am I missing something or did I just make this up? Personally, I feel the pimento is necessary to capture the essence of a TV Navy Grog, with apologies of course to Phil Spector.
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Agreed. I made the Navy Grog recipe in Grog Log Remixed a couple of weeks ago, and hated it...until I added a little pimento.
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| Posted: 2010-10-05 2:49 pm Permalink
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On 2007-06-26 11:29, Scottes wrote:
If we break this down a little...
...Limes have been done, as you mentioned.
...Different club sodas should have very little effect.
...The demerara is specified.
...Grapefruit is grapefruit (is it?) |
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I don't think "grapefruit is grapefruit." Just in the "supermarket/carton" stuff there is a good spectrum of flavors, especially if you consider the full gamut running from white to pink to "ruby" red grapefruits. If you want to go crazy and start pondering all the heirloom varietals and the "squeezed fresh off the tree" possibilities, you'd never emerge from the fog of research.
Just a thought.
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| Posted: 2010-10-05 8:08 pm Permalink
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On 2010-10-05 14:49, jokeiii wrote:
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On 2007-06-26 11:29, Scottes wrote:
If we break this down a little...
...Limes have been done, as you mentioned.
...Different club sodas should have very little effect.
...The demerara is specified.
...Grapefruit is grapefruit (is it?) |
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--snip--
I don't think "grapefruit is grapefruit." Just in the "supermarket/carton" stuff there is a good spectrum of flavors, especially if you consider the full gamut running from white to pink to "ruby" red grapefruits. If you want to go crazy and start pondering all the heirloom varietals and the "squeezed fresh off the tree" possibilities, you'd never emerge from the fog of research.
Just a thought.
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IMHO white grapefruit juice is what you want-it has the 'bite' (acidity & bitterness) that's called for. Pink is OK, if it's all you can find. The Ruby Red stuff is too sweet-it's the grapefruit for folks who don't like grapefruit.
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| Posted: 2010-10-06 10:47 pm Permalink
I'd like to go into the honey aspects. I know that clover honey will have a taste much different from your typical 'honeybear" purchase. Has anyone experimented with different honey in their drinks?
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| Posted: 2010-10-08 06:27 am Permalink
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IMHO white grapefruit juice is what you want-it has the 'bite' (acidity & bitterness) that's called for. Pink is OK, if it's all you can find. The Ruby Red stuff is too sweet-it's the grapefruit for folks who don't like grapefruit. |
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But even within the "white" grapefruit there are varietals (such as Duncan, Marsh, Paradise & Triumph, for example) that can be played with.
Ditto the honey. (For the record, my go-to cocktail honey is "orange blossom" honey.)
In fact, you could, if you were "foodie" enough, go nuts experimenting with the combinations.
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| Posted: 2011-02-09 8:32 pm Permalink
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On 2010-10-08 06:27, jokeiii wrote:
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IMHO white grapefruit juice is what you want-it has the 'bite' (acidity & bitterness) that's called for. Pink is OK, if it's all you can find. The Ruby Red stuff is too sweet-it's the grapefruit for folks who don't like grapefruit. |
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But even within the "white" grapefruit there are varietals (such as Duncan, Marsh, Paradise & Triumph, for example) that can be played with.
Ditto the honey. (For the record, my go-to cocktail honey is "orange blossom" honey.)
In fact, you could, if you were "foodie" enough, go nuts experimenting with the combinations.
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I am going to go on the record and speak up for the maligned red grapefruit. My own tree is a red grapefruit. I don't know the variety - but wow, is it ever good. I have two white grapefruit trees on either side of my property and they drop fruit into my lawn all of the time. So, I have something to compare my red to.
Perhaps because I am used to fresh grapefruit I experience a different taste from the red than others might get.
I will add this, Berry needs to add allspice dram to the Navy Grog recipe. It is essential.
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| Posted: 2011-02-10 9:45 pm Permalink
As an aside question - what came first, the Navy Grog with spicy flavors such as pimento dram or .... the zombie?
I thought about adding pernod, some bitters to my Navy grog and then I realized, holy tiki, I'd have a zombie.
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| Posted: 2011-02-10 10:24 pm Permalink
I'll see your DtB zombie, throw in a buckload of cinnamon syrup, and turn it into a jet pilot!
(it's alchemy, i tells ya)
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On 2010-10-03 07:37, MrBaliHai wrote:
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On 2010-10-02 14:37, telescopes wrote:
Why is it that I always add a quarter shot of pimento dram. Somehow, I feel this is a necessary ingredient. Am I missing something or did I just make this up? Personally, I feel the pimento is necessary to capture the essence of a TV Navy Grog, with apologies of course to Phil Spector.
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Agreed. I made the Navy Grog recipe in Grog Log Remixed a couple of weeks ago, and hated it...until I added a little pimento.
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I totally agree with this. I always add Pimento Dram to my Navy Grog's. It just doesn't taste right otherwise.
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On 2011-02-11 04:05, Kon-Hemsby wrote:
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On 2010-10-03 07:37, MrBaliHai wrote:
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On 2010-10-02 14:37, telescopes wrote:
Why is it that I always add a quarter shot of pimento dram. Somehow, I feel this is a necessary ingredient. Am I missing something or did I just make this up? Personally, I feel the pimento is necessary to capture the essence of a TV Navy Grog, with apologies of course to Phil Spector.
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Agreed. I made the Navy Grog recipe in Grog Log Remixed a couple of weeks ago, and hated it...until I added a little pimento.
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I totally agree with this. I always add Pimento Dram to my Navy Grog's. It just doesn't taste right otherwise.
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Then let's agree right here that all "official" recipes for Navy Grog must include Pimento Dram. It will go a long way in clarifying what it was you drank when you say "Navy Grog".
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Then let's agree right here that all "official" recipes for Navy Grog must include Pimento Dram. It will go a long way in clarifying what it was you drank when you say "Navy Grog".
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No, I'd say the original recipe from Don the Beachcomber apparently did not have pimento dram, and Trader Vic improved upon it by adding it.
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| Posted: 2011-02-11 9:57 pm Permalink
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On 2011-02-11 14:47, arriano wrote:
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Then let's agree right here that all "official" recipes for Navy Grog must include Pimento Dram. It will go a long way in clarifying what it was you drank when you say "Navy Grog".
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No, I'd say the original recipe from Don the Beachcomber apparently did not have pimento dram, and Trader Vic improved upon it by adding it.
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This may be true - But, the Trader Vic Version of the Mai Tai is the one we now remember and not the DTB one.
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| Posted: 2011-04-01 3:38 pm Permalink
I recently made a Navy Grog using the following:
1 oz Clement VSOP
1 oz 15 year El Dorado
1 oz Appleton 21
I subbed 1 oz of Agave Nectar for honey mix and added 1/4 oz of St Elizabeth Pimento.
My Navy Grog became a 100 dollar Navy Grog. Smooth. It soared to new heights.
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| Posted: 2011-05-29 11:11 am Permalink
so there seem to be two slight variations in the reported Trader Vic navy grogs:
one has honey, has club soda, and uses light PR, dark, and demerara rums;
the other uses rock candy syrup, has no soda, and uses light PR, amber/gold, and demerara rums.
each includes lime and grapefruit juices.
is there any consensus as to which of these are authentic? and, which do you prefer?
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