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bananabobs
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Posted: 2008-09-30 03:47 am   Permalink

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On 2008-07-16 21:22, shampoovta wrote:
There is this lady here in Ventura who collects palms. My husband showed me her house . Its cool.



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On 2008-07-16 22:37, Jungle Trader wrote:
"This lady collects rare palms" What rare palms would they be? Do tell.



Her name is Pauline Sullivan. She indeed collects RARE palms from around the world. She has been in a wheelchair for decades but her and her husband have traveled around the world, collecting, recording and discovering palms. She has been the president of the International Palm Society many times, has written books and articles both on her discoveries as well as her adventures. I believe she is in her 80's no and her husband passed away a few years ago. She does have a few TiKi's and Polynesian artifacts that she picked up here and there but her focus has been the plants. A very remarkable woman and even more remarkable collection. When ever she speaks at the Society meetings, the attendance jumps, I have been a member, on and off again since 1999 and I have not had the "full" tour as she is very private.

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fatuhiva
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From: Melbourne Beach, FL
Posted: 2008-09-30 12:33 pm   Permalink

Tikipaka-

It looks like you certainly have the raw material needed for complete tiki landscaping

Being able to grow elephant ears is a really good thing. Anything with huge leaves is a big plus.

If were to take a crack at "tropicalizing" the landscaping for your tiki cabana, here is what I would do:

I would start from the cabana and work my way out- the idea being to try and create an environment surrounding the cabana- so that once in your tiki environment, everything you see outside looks tropical.

Perhaps you'd have to enter the cabana area from a path through some bamboo- the path could sortof spiral in towards the door a bit, so that once you hit the door- everywhere you look is jungly plants.

I know there are many types of alocasia and colocasia that can overwinter there.. so that is one option.

I'm sure there are also cool plants in local nurseries that even though they are adapted for your climate, have an odd or tropical look.

Bamboo is great for creating a tropical effect, and also for screening to keep areas and environments seperate. In your climate, it may be that the only bamboo options are runners.. that is OK as long as they are properly contained underground before planting. There are websites that sell cold hardy bamboo and also containers for runners. It maybe be easier to just dig a big deep hole and then use mortar and cinderblocks to "wall in" the bamboo. In fact, if you did it that way, you could build an underground cinderblock "mote" so to speak- and the running bamboo would fill it in. -Using the technique you could create bamboo screens in any shape along the ground you needed.

There is also at least one cold hardy banana that from what I've heard can get pretty big in northern climates.

Here are some links that might be handy:

COLD HARDY BAMBOOS

http://www.bamboogarden.com/Hardy%20clumping.htm

http://www.bamboogarden.com/Fargesia%20robusta.html

http://www.bamboogarden.com/Phyllostachys%20aureosulcata%20'Spectabilis'.htm

http://www.bambooworld.com


RUNNER BAMBOO BARRIER

http://www.bambooworld.com/bamboo%20rhizome%20barrier.htm


ALOCASIA / COLOCASIA (be sure to check on cold hardiness for each particular variety)

http://www.briansbotanicals.net/index2.html

http://www.centralfloridafarms.com/alocasia.htm


COLD HARDY (basjoo) BANANA

http://www.bambooworld.com/hardy%20banana%20plant.htm

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/1251/

http://www.banana-tree.com/Product_Detail~category~17~Product_ID~1243.cfm


COLD HARDY PALMS

http://www.bambooworld.com/hardy%20palm%20trees.htm


GIANT RHUBARB
Gunnera manicata

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/53097/

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=Gunnera+manicata+&btnG=Google+Search

http://www.plantswap.net/forum/f3/need-info-gunnera-manicata-579/



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tikipaka
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Posted: 2008-09-30 4:11 pm   Permalink

Thanks again, for all your advise. I'm on overload right now.. Now I have to go work on my husband to convince him to by into this,

 
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coruscate
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Posted: 2008-09-30 6:30 pm   Permalink

That list of links is fantastic!
Thanks for sharing the knowledge behind your green thumb.
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fatuhiva
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Posted: 2008-10-01 8:51 pm   Permalink

No problem-

The internet is really a great source of plants. You can read about them on davesgarden.com (plantfiles) and then find out the scientific name- and google that to find mailorder places to get it if you cant find it locally. Ebay is also a decent plant source.

I don't have alot of experience gardening in Northern climates, but I have family in Connecticut and I've seen alot of cool plants and trees up there- including bamboo.. that if collected and presented properly would create a very lush tropical look. I think it could be done

Not to mention mosses grow so well up there- Nothing like getting or making some concrete tikis and then slathering on the yogurt mix to create a mossy relic.

You also have lots of great fern options up there, I'm sure. You may even be able to grow Australian tree ferns if you kept them in a pot and overwintered them in a garage or something.

Who knows, perhaps even plumeria could be overwintered in a garage.

I think that Giant Rhubarb is particularly cool looking..

http://images.google.com/images?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=Gunnera%20manicata&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi



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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2008-10-01 9:15 pm   Permalink

Brian, it's always good to see you are still here. Hope the hurricanes missed your paradise.

 
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Swanky
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Posted: 2008-10-02 06:08 am   Permalink

Plant Delights is the place you want to start. They specialize in sub-tropicals and tropical looking plants and their nursery is around Zone 7. They are good about stating what zone the plants are hardy in. Huge selection. We have a filed trip planned for next spring to go get a large variety, and then pinch pennies for months to recover!

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fatuhiva
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Posted: 2008-10-02 8:40 pm   Permalink

Heya Sven

Yes, I'm still here- we've gotten by just fine this season

26 inches of rain dropped on Melbourne during Fay, we werent in town for the storm. I was getting reports from neighbors.. the place made out fine. Just lots of rain- when I got back it was greener than ever.

Now that I've said that I believe a Category 5 storm is forming off the coast of Africa with my name on it hahaha

Hope all is well with you!

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Vonratnick
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Posted: 2008-10-02 9:44 pm   Permalink

Some beautifull places here.

Thought I'd join in, at least in tribute to my wife's gardening skills (hope the garden survives the summer, weve been in drought a long time).

I have got to get some more Tiki's, but they are a bit thin on the ground in Melbourne.

Anyhow, for what its worth












 
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tikipaka
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Posted: 2008-10-03 01:57 am   Permalink

Vonratnick, I love your back yard jungle also. Your wife does a great job.. With or without tiki's, it's a great looking jungle. She can come to our place and work on it.
I'd love to have some of that jungle look going on.


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tikipaka
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Posted: 2008-10-05 02:30 am   Permalink

Thanks Swanky, I also tried planting these from seed and nothing happened?
But then I checked out your site and I guess they said it all about this growing in the northeast. :lol:
http://www.plantdelights.com/Catalog/Current/Detail/04947.html

Does anyone up here in the Northeast, have great luck with tropicals and if so can you post your pictures of what actually will make it through our winters without having to have a greenhouse? As my husband would say, "you want it all, but you don't want to work for it". He's talking about gardening.. Weeds, I just hate them. :lol:

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Swanky
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Posted: 2008-10-05 07:14 am   Permalink

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On 2008-10-05 02:30, tikipaka wrote:
Thanks Swanky, I also tried planting these from seed and nothing happened?
But then I checked out your site and I guess they said it all about this growing in the northeast. http://www.plantdelights.com/Catalog/Current/Detail/04947.html

Does anyone up here in the Northeast, have great luck with tropicals and if so can you post your pictures of what actually will make it through our winters without having to have a greenhouse? As my husband would say, "you want it all, but you don't want to work for it". He's talking about gardening.. Weeds, I just hate them.

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What zone are you in?

Also consider, though I live in USDA Zone 6a-7b, the winter lows have only been to 8a level (about 15 degrees), so, we are really in 8b right now.

There are plants that will thrive and stay in the ground. Some will need extar attention that is easy, like adding 10-12 inches of mulch on top. Then some need more, like diggin them up and putting them in the basement or under the house over winter and planting them again in spring. Let them die to the ground and dig them up.

The other thing you have to do is fertilize. Most tropical (sub-tropicals actually) are heavy nitrogen feeders. Nitrogen helps produce the green foliage. So, go to the farmers coop and get something like 23-10-10 and fertilize around the first of th emonth all growing season. Water daily. This will help get more out of your plants in their short growing seasons. Especially bananas. You should get a leaf a week or so if it is properly fertilize and watered.

Just pick you hardiest plants first! Save yourself from having to dig!


 
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tikipaka
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Posted: 2008-10-05 12:16 pm   Permalink

Thanks again, Swanky. We're in zone 5 and we get well below freezing and some really cold hard frosts. This year we had a nice warm spell and then such a hard frost that it killed off my wisteria that was ready to bloom. The flowers just shriveled up and died.

 
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Swanky
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Posted: 2008-10-05 3:04 pm   Permalink

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On 2008-10-05 12:16, tikipaka wrote:
Thanks again, Swanky. We're in zone 5 and we get well below freezing and some really cold hard frosts. This year we had a nice warm spell and then such a hard frost that it killed off my wisteria that was ready to bloom. The flowers just shriveled up and died.


We had our plumeria ready to bloom for the first time. Had 100 buds. It bloomed maybe 6 times and then it got cold and it all shriveled up. Like 60 degrees was all it took. So I feel some of your pain...



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Vonratnick
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Posted: 2008-10-05 8:43 pm   Permalink

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On 2008-10-03 01:57, tikipaka wrote:
Vonratnick, I love your back yard jungle also. Your wife does a great job.. With or without tiki's, it's a great looking jungle. She can come to our place and work on it.
I'd love to have some of that jungle look going on.

Tikipaka,

Thanks, she does the thinking, I do the grunt work.

I'll toast you poolside with some stuka juice tonight!

Cheers



 
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