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Complete Tiki Spain
tikiskip
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Posted: 2016-09-02 5:31 pm   Permalink

Any closer to getting this book done?
Looks like there's tiki in Spain.

You still working on this Zeta now that your back?


 
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tikiskip
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Posted: 2016-09-05 08:01 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2012-02-23 20:36, Zeta wrote:
Bigbrotiki,

after 5 years of privately talking about this book project with you, your answer sucks.

If you plan to write about Tiki in Spain in the future (which I know you will), please ask me first. I'm willing to help. I'm the expert and I legally represent the artist who created 95% of the art. He is still alive and kicking. remember that.

Just like you warn visitors about copyright infringements on your tikieurope.com webpage, I warn you. I will not tolerate fake or false credit on future tiki books, exhibits etc... on the Tiki Spain subject.

The artist deserves his credit. No more pretending he doesn't exist. No more playing dumb like Jay Strongman on his Tiki Mugs book... No more "innocent" ignorance.

Porcelanas Pavon are fake, like your Contemporary Idol mugs. You are stealing from the original artist and that is not cool.

Where is your urban archeologist rigor?
You cannot/should not document Incomplete Tiki Spain. This is the last unexplored tiki region and you know it.

My door is always open for you or anyone who wants to write a serious piece on the subject.

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WHO WANTS TO HELP ME AND MR. NAUFRAGO WRITING THE MONDO TIKI BOOK? We need/want an American/USA partner. Tiki author wanted. (If nobody is interested, we will do it on our own, but I really want the American collaboration because it's fair, necessary and needed. We want our book COMPLETE.)

Also, Hakalugi, if you could help us organizing a tikicentral group collaboration, I would be really thankful.

TIKI CENTRAL PEOPLE. I need your help to make this book and get it published in AMERICA. Home birth of the new Tiki cult.

This is serious.

Aloha or die.



"(If nobody is interested, we will do it on our own)"
Lots of new tiki books coming out this one needs to be next.
You can do it!
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Zeta
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Joined: Feb 13, 2007
Posts: 2105
From: Atlantis/Basque Country/Spain/Mexico
Posted: 2016-09-12 4:32 pm   Permalink

Gracias Tikiskip! I appreciate it!
And Yes! the book is coming! Dr. Alderete agreed to design it and I already have some publishers interested (still open to offers)... BUT! I need all the help I can get from all of you fellow tiki friends! Hi Res images mainly. And support! Its hard to do PRO BONO Tiki work in this day an age. So, please, share your thoughts, ideas, hopes and dreams! Tiki needs us!
Maybe we could crowd fund it and publish it all together.

PM me if you want my email to send me images or whatever. All contributors will get their credit and a special Tiki blessing... maybe a signed copy or a date if you are a pretty girl.

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tikiskip
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Posted: 2016-09-13 03:30 am   Permalink

Well don't see much tiki from Spain/Mexico here in Ohio but if I do will post it here for sure.


"maybe a signed copy or a date if you are a pretty girl."

Have always had the most fun with them, good plan.
A place with no women is many times a placed called prison here in USA.
Not good.

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Trader Tom
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Joined: Jan 26, 2006
Posts: 904
From: West Hills, CA
Posted: 2016-11-10 03:12 am   Permalink

Just surfing the internet to see if I could find more on the mysterious C. Martinu (pre Arte 4 and Porcelanas Pavon) and I ran across these pictures (two of which have already been shared in this thread, but the lion foot mug is intriguing!).









I found them here:
https://es.wallapop.com/item/porcelana-calidad-firmada-por-c-martinu-34511018

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Zeta
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Joined: Feb 13, 2007
Posts: 2105
From: Atlantis/Basque Country/Spain/Mexico
Posted: 2017-12-03 6:21 pm   Permalink

Well done Trader Tom!
Once I saw a real elephant foot ashtray!!! in Mexico´s Lagunilla flea market. Cra zy. Guess the lion foot is the same concept.

I launched a comic book called Mota Comix (we are on facebook), and thats why I been away from Tiki... BUUUT, I will go back to the spanish tiki book soon.

Mahalo for the interest!

All secrets will be revealed!
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IamLono
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From: Javea, Spain
Posted: 2018-06-01 12:50 am   Permalink

Hi Zeta!

I'm an American tiki junkie living in Javea. I'm also a photographer, so if there is any help I can provide, by all means let me know!

Best,


 
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Jürka
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Joined: Aug 15, 2012
Posts: 114
From: Estland
Posted: 2018-10-28 3:10 pm   Permalink

I've been through the Spain visiting: Hula Hula and Maui Bar in Lloret de Mar; Kahiki, Aloha and Kahala bars in Barcelona; Hawaika in Valencia; Aloha in Alicante; Mauna Loa, Hawai Waipahu Paradise and Tiki Chateau in Madrid; also Bora-Bora in Lisbon, Portugal.

Both bars in Lloret de Mar I cannot classify as tiki bars. Hula Hula was old time place with good tiki decor (common in Spain), Maui Bar was modern one, but none of them had anything more than decor. Cocktails were all awful, very simple, propably didn't content more than two ingredients, disrespectfully they used names of classic tiki cocktails (Maui Bar had Zombie as tequila-cocktail for example). Music was awful in both of them. Both places were only meant for party kids of rich german parents. For me these are not tiki bars.

Kahiki, Aloha, Kahala, Hawaika, Mauna Loa and Bora-Bora... ain't much tiki bars also. Cocktails (disrespectfully occasionally using names of classic tiki drinks) are total crap, the worst one I got from Bora-Bora, pure blackberry syrup was given me as Dr. Funk poured directly from plastic container. Barmen do not know nor do not want to know nothing of real tiki cocktails nor real tiki culture. Music is crap, in every one of them! All they have is good tiki decor and porcelain spanish-style tiki mugs (mostly Pavon and Arte 4, in Bora-Bora there was also Vicente Munoz mugs, mostly without sign of manufacturer on the bottom, that were came from previous Bora-Bora located in Madrid) from the past.

Hawai Waipahu Paradise is latino bar located in latino area of the city, cocktails are same fruity crap as in most of Spanish tiki-kinda-bars, it's a place for beer. Hawai Waipahu Paradise strongly reminded me those local bars from Ecuador to Guatemala, where, you know, wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am... They should just remove all that tiki-stuff and be only a pure latino-bar and in this case it would be even outstanding latino bar (being outside of Latin America), but now as a tiki bar - crap.

But real tiki culture in Spain still exists... thanks to following two places:
Aloha bar in the center of Alicante... The place is made and run by young tiki enthusiast who's mixing more-or-less authentic real tiki cocktails and having his own tiki drink named Mistery Drink which I'd say was really maybe the best tiki cocktail that I've ever had, perfectly balanced and rich of taste. The place is shy by decors and music ain't much tiki, easy carribean style instead, but has deep tiki soul.
Tiki Chateau in the dive bar area of Madrid... This is a "must go" tiki spot for all tiki-people. Place is done and run by true tiki enthusiast, who is experienced on tiki mixology and tiki culture as a whole, real nice guy, very interesting to talk with. Drinks are authentic, music is soft '60s rockabilly including lot of movie-era Elvis tracks. Music selection is due to local customers for whom the exotica melodies just doesn't work. Anyway... a real great place.

So... There ain't much tiki in Spain (if we are not talking about history, but present!), only few lonely rangers swimming upstream.


 
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bigbrotiki
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From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
Posted: 2018-12-14 08:11 am   Permalink

Wow! It seems what we have here is e a stellar example of the "New Cocktailian" generation that believes that Tiki culture is all about COCKTAILS:

"...Kahiki, Aloha, Kahala, Hawaika, Mauna Loa and Bora-Bora... ain't much tiki bars also. All they have is good tiki decor and porcelain spanish-style tiki mugs..."

Talk about putting the cart in front of the horse! Cocktails are but ONE FACET of the art genre of Tiki. These places are amazing time warps that speak of the boundless inspiration that American Tiki style provided beyond its borders. I agree with you about the lack of quality of the cocktails - it's what it is. Before you come on here and insult these authentic examples of Tiki culture, do your research!

Your attitude of entitlement is a sad show of the ignorance and arrogance of over-tourism.


 
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Jürka
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From: Estland
Posted: 9 days ago; 4:49 pm   Permalink

In my opinion there is 3 criteriums which makes a bar to be called tiki bar or not (I'm not saying "good tiki bar", but just "tiki bar on lowest limits"): decor, music and cocktails (2 of 3 would be fine). And these spanish classic tiki bars have only decor (and history), that's all. These bars don't even care about tiki (it's not a same as being proud of their own business history). They have a place in hand which they just keep running, a business. I am talking about present, not history. It's a treasure from past that is not taken good care of, archeological site, not a tiki bar.

And if we are talking about bars, ofcourse drinks are the base of it. Some are more into carving, some are into music, some in history of origin etc., I'm into whole soup, but it's hard to run cervezeria if you have no cerveza, or to keep cafe if you can't offer coffee... Pop-tiki culture bases on restaurants/bars, not bowling or theme parks or home decor styles etc.


 
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tikiskip
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Posted: 8 days ago; 05:45 am   Permalink

A few people like TC folks here will go to tiki bars of old just for the décor and be ok and find that a good night out.

BUT the rest of their clientele is going to want more than that and will not support places that don't also have at least good drinks and food.

Plus I have at events and other tiki bars seen tiki people that don't buy a damn thing when they go out, if they have a drink in their hand nine times out of ten it was bought for them or is Ice Tea for the free refills.

I can tell ya these places can't stay open selling Ice Tea and a handful of drinks to a few tiki nutz.

So we do need to spend money at these places for them to stay open.
Would you make tons of tiki mugs if people only looked at them and said "wow those are nice"

People here would get all boozed up before going to one tiki bar here to save money, that place is closed now.

You need to support our tiki bars (As in with cash)

Disclaimer, if a new tiki bar isn't that hot I don't go there that much as my thing is mostly the old ones, we don't even go to new other restaurants/bars.

A few new tiki bars have wowed us.
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Prikli Pear
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Joined: Jan 04, 2017
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From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted: 8 days ago; 1:43 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2019-01-09 05:45, tikiskip wrote:
A few people like TC folks here will go to tiki bars of old just for the décor and be ok and find that a good night out.


The Wife and I will go to a place for the history of it. And we can be wowed by it. The Alibi in Portland is a great example. The drinks were not great. They weren't awful, but nothing we couldn't get at any other bar. The music was 70s rock and it felt more like a biker bar than anything. I know some folks adore it for what it is, but we won't be back, unless we have an urge to soak up that history. It's just too depressing to see what it should be as opposed to what it currently is. Sounds like Spain's tiki establishment are suffering from this, only turned up to 11.

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