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Voyaging Waka ... Migrations , Past and Present . carving , history , sailing etc
Toataiaha
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From: Otautahi , Te WahiPounamu
Posted: 2008-06-02 9:23 pm   Permalink

Tena koutou Whanau ,

JohnnyP and I have been having a bit of a chat about Waka construction , and we decided to open up this thread on the topic.

At this stage , I reckon that any and all stuff relating to taking a log , and chopping away anything that does not look like a canoe belongs here .
That includes the origin of the waka style , where the folks came from , where they went to .

And of course , the Tiki that they carry on them


kia ora tatou ,

Jock





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But I was born here . a Celt in Maori lands . And my heart is content




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Toataiaha
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Posted: 2008-06-02 9:46 pm   Permalink

My first , and to date most intimate involvement , was in 1980 , when I stopped into see a friend in Pahiatua NZ . Greg Whakataka Brightwell .
He was building the waka haurua 'HawaikiNui' , a double hulled pahi type vessel .



Thats me in the foreground , I had been adzing the raumutu (gunwale) on the stools to the left , but the photographer wanted a tight shot

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Tamapoutini
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Posted: 2008-06-02 10:28 pm   Permalink

Good idea guys. Ill add my 2c early as Im just a tourist on this boat. Just something visual to help kick off the new thread, no info sorry. These are in my thread also but I think its good to consolidate the material:





These were snapped in the Pacifica Exhibit in the Melbourne Museum a few months ago. I may have got more pics of various hoe'/paddles and some of the surface detail. Will check..

pDrake, how're those sails?



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Toataiaha
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Posted: 2008-06-02 11:16 pm   Permalink

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On 2008-06-02 22:28, Tamapoutini wrote:
Good idea guys. Ill add my 2c early as Im just a tourist on this boat. Just something visual to help kick off the new thread, no info sorry. These are in my thread also but I think its good to consolidate the material:


Here is a picture of Tama-bare-arse about to climb aboard ....




.... no tourists in this trip Stone-man , we need a punga . Grab that big rock there get and started

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Posted: 2008-06-03 12:58 am   Permalink

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Here is a picture of TamaPoutini bare-arse about to climb aboard ....




Ahh, I remember it well - carefree days..


 
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cheekytiki
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Posted: 2008-06-03 06:51 am   Permalink

For a modern take on traditional sailing canoes from all over the SP check out James Wharrams designs. http://wharram.com/indexofdesign.html
The ethnic designs are cool and he even uses Crab Claw rigging on some of his big designs.

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Toataiaha
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Posted: 2008-06-03 07:40 am   Permalink

Sturdy craft by the look of them . Have you sailed in any of his ?


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JohnnyP
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Posted: 2008-06-03 4:15 pm   Permalink

Here is a different view of the waka haurua 'HawaikiNui' that Toataiaha shows himself carving above. It is sitting at the Tahiti Museum




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Posted: 2008-06-03 4:54 pm   Permalink

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On 2008-06-03 06:51, cheekytiki wrote:
For a modern take on traditional sailing canoes from all over the SP check out James Wharrams designs. http://wharram.com/indexofdesign.html
The ethnic designs are cool and he even uses Crab Claw rigging on some of his big designs.



I saw one of the ethinic designs in a sailing magazine a couple of years ago and I ordered the design book. There are a lot really neat modern catamarans that you can build yourself out of wood, epoxy, and a lot of time. This website has a lot of good information and photos.
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Toataiaha
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Posted: 2008-06-03 5:22 pm   Permalink

I was looking at one of his designs last night , and I forgot to bookmark it .
It looked to be one of the largest he has ,20M or so , and the closest to the original voyaging waka.
Ah well , it will turn up again

And it did . The name threw me . "Spirit of Gaia" .

http://wharram.com/gaia.html

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Toataiaha
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Posted: 2008-06-03 10:38 pm   Permalink

Gaia has some very attractive features



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Posted: 2008-06-04 05:18 am   Permalink

Another point of interest although not wholly on Voyaging Canoes is the book "Eddie would Go" about the world renowned surfer, lifeguard and waterman Eddie Aikau who lost his life whilst trying to save the lives of the crew aboard a voyaging canoe.

I met a guy whilst doing some forestry work in Opunake, NZ, he had an interest in building Waka and was planning to build one and launch it using the old channels made years ago in the Taranaki area. I lost contact so I don't know if he ever did it, but he was a raelly cool guy, built his own house using timber he milled himself and designed his own hot water/heating system.

Also and I've mentioned this before elsewhere, there is a beautiful old carved waka Hull laying covered in vegetation just off the inner island road on Rarotonga near to Avarua. I never got any photos, anybody travelling there should look for it, a real hidden gem.

The more I think about canoe building the more I would love to make something larger and sailable.
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Toataiaha
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Posted: 2008-06-04 05:58 am   Permalink

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On 2008-06-04 05:18, cheekytiki wrote:
Another point of interest although not wholly on Voyaging Canoes is the book "Eddie would Go" about the world renowned surfer, lifeguard and waterman Eddie Aikau who lost his life whilst trying to save the lives of the crew aboard a voyaging canoe.




It seems that Eddie was a Voyager .
He was crew on the Hokule'a at the time that he went missing . His place is here .

The memorial plaque on the Hokule'a in his honour .




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Aikau



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JohnnyP
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Posted: 2008-06-04 6:39 pm   Permalink

The waka haurua 'HawaikiNui' also has a brief mention in the book "Vaka Moana, voyages of the ancestors" published by Hawaii Press. The book is an excellent overview of the seafaring in exploration of the Pacific Islands.
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Posted: 2008-06-15 04:17 am   Permalink

Here is a link to an interesting website.

http://www.aloha.net/~vaka/
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