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Are Shag's paintings all a bit different than prints ?
Gromit_Fan
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Posted: 2008-09-15 12:16 am   Permalink

Since I know Sushiman is looking for Shag's
The Raft of the Medusa, I thought
this might be a good thread to post the
comparison between the original and the serigraph.

ORIGINAL PAINTING:


THE SERIGRAPH:



I hope you find one soon! It was the print that got me hooked on Shag!





 
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Koolau
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Posted: 2008-09-15 12:50 am   Permalink

I have "The Raft of the Medusa" (still in the box) - when I got it and rolled it out, I was vaguely disappointed, but couldn't really verbalize why. Now I see why - it's not the image I ordered! There are truly significant, and in my opinion detrimental, detail and color differences between the painting and serigraph. That's a problem.

Is it really all that technically difficult to accurately reproduce the painting? Shouldn't we expect better? I mean, this isn't exactly a $20 print from WalMart. . .


 
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sushiman
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Posted: 2008-09-15 02:20 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2008-09-15 00:50, Koolau wrote:
I have "The Raft of the Medusa" (still in the box) - when I got it and rolled it out, I was vaguely disappointed, but couldn't really verbalize why. Now I see why - it's not the image I ordered! There are truly significant, and in my opinion detrimental, detail and color differences between the painting and serigraph. That's a problem.

Is it really all that technically difficult to accurately reproduce the painting? Shouldn't we expect better? I mean, this isn't exactly a $20 print from WalMart. . .



Wow ...I didn't realize HOW different the print was from the painting until now , after viewing Gromit's side by side pics . No WONDER you were disappointed .

Shagcorps really should do something about all the painting images being used on Shagmart and on gallery sites to sell prints which are usually significantly different . Must be more happily unaware buyers like Koolau who end up not totally pleased . The print is cool in its own right , but pales in comparison to the painting .

[ This Message was edited by: sushiman 2008-09-15 02:24 ]


 
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Gromit_Fan
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Posted: 2008-09-15 02:20 am   Permalink

Koolau,

I get what you are saying.
I had seen the serigraph, not the original painting,
when I ordered mine, so I am thrilled with the serigraph.

The backgrounds are always going to be simplified.
Silk-screening does not lend itself to the brush strokes that Shag
tends to put in his backgrounds, so those are almost always going to be
redesigned.

My jpeg is a bit overblown, with the colors slightly off,
but my one issue with the serigraph is that the change
from ocean to sky is not as strong as it is in the painting.
Again, it looks better than my overly-exposed jpeg,
but the delineation is still a bit lost.

The trick is, vendors need to show images of the actual print, and
not promo images that are too often of the painting. The difference
between "The Thinking Has Been Done" serigraph and original painting is
enough to make me not want to buy it. It needed those patterns in the background.

The way you feel about this print
is how I felt about The Extraordinary Evening
when it was finally released. I love the image,
but still am not entirely thrilled with the redesign
of the mug or how the woman is holding it.

Still, I LOVE The Raft of the Medusa print.

Now if you want to sell yours, I suspect Sushiman might be interested...

Regards,

Gromit_Fan

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On 2008-09-15 00:50, Koolau wrote:
I have "The Raft of the Medusa" (still in the box) - when I got it and rolled it out, I was vaguely disappointed, but couldn't really verbalize why. Now I see why - it's not the image I ordered! There are truly significant, and in my opinion detrimental, detail and color differences between the painting and serigraph. That's a problem.

Is it really all that technically difficult to accurately reproduce the painting? Shouldn't we expect better? I mean, this isn't exactly a $20 print from WalMart. . .




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sushiman
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Posted: 2008-09-15 02:28 am   Permalink

You know , I PREFER the print version of AN EXTRAORDINARY EVENING to the painting . How about you , Gromit ?

 
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Gromit_Fan
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Posted: 2008-09-15 02:33 am   Permalink

I prefer the print as well...except the mug. Everything else seems like
an improvement over the painting.

Quote:

On 2008-09-15 02:28, sushiman wrote:
You know , I PREFER the print version of AN EXTRAORDINARY EVENING to the painting . How about you , Gromit ?



 
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sushiman
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Posted: 2008-09-15 06:30 am   Permalink

I'm noticing minor differences in detail between your photo of the print and the one I have which is not of the painting . So all the prints aren't exactly the same either I guess . Pardon me , I know little about the silkscreening process .






 
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Gromit_Fan
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Posted: 2008-09-15 4:32 pm   Permalink

With color, I have noticed my camera tends to enhance blue tints and tones,
so the colors are more accurate in your jpeg than mine.

Serigraphs can have slight variations, but usually just in registration
(each color gets it own screen) and some silk-screeners don't mix enough
pigment to complete and entire print set, though I think Shag is aware of this
as he did silk-screening as part of his art education, and probably won't
hire a screener who skimps on mixing colors.

The image you have is the one that I saw when I ordered the print,
so I believe it is the image Shag sent out for the print when it was
released for the DVA Gallery show. It is of the serigraph, but it might
be a proof, as the divide between the ocean and sky is clearer in it.

Gromit Fan


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On 2008-09-15 06:30, sushiman wrote:
I'm noticing minor differences in detail between your photo of the print and the one I have which is not of the painting . So all the prints aren't exactly the same either I guess . Pardon me , I know little about the silkscreening process .








 
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Gromit_Fan
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Posted: 2008-09-16 10:29 pm   Permalink

LA MODERN -DAY (original):



LA MODERN -DAY (serigraph):


Changes in this one are subtle, and seem most notable in the loss of
the brush strokes in the sky and in the water.

Enjoy!

Gromit Fan

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sushiman
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Posted: 2008-09-23 7:16 pm   Permalink

[quote]
On 2008-09-08 20:54, Gromit_Fan wrote:
Having said that,
of all the prints I own,
"Glorious Lifestyle" is the one I suspect
will have the greatest jump in value.

[quote]

You certainly were right on about that . Just sold on Ebay for $ 1425 ! Somebody made almost a grand profit .


 
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The Monitors
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Posted: 2008-09-23 10:21 pm   Permalink

Hey Sushiman,

You have to show us that print once it's framed. I can only imagine its grandeur.



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sushiman
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Posted: 2008-09-24 01:03 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2008-09-23 22:21, The Monitors wrote:
Hey Sushiman,

You have to show us that print once it's framed. I can only imagine its grandeur.







EYE didn't buy it - too rich for my blood and pocketbook . Just watched the auction to see how high the print would go after Gromit said it was bound to increase in value almost overnight , which it has .


 
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Gromit_Fan
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Posted: 2008-10-11 8:06 pm   Permalink

Just adding more comparisons:
"Hummingbird Nocturne" painting from "The Immoderates" show.


The serigraph version, as posted at Shagmart:


Note that Shagmart is showing the serigraph in this case,
which they seem to do more often than not.



As for the image itself, I thought the show was called "The Immoderates"
and not "The Immodests."

I like the pumped up contrast in the serigraph, most notably, the figure
now has black hair. In the original, I get the feeling I am looking
at her through a screen door, because the values are all so close in her
space, whereas in the print, it seems clear she is just standing there.
The black hair also make her compete more with the hummingbird for being
the focus of the image. In the paining, the bird has more of our attention.


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Gromit_Fan
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Posted: 2008-11-29 10:06 pm   Permalink

I know I am beating a dead horse,
but I actually like comparing and contrasting
paintings vs serigraphs.

And it is a great way to announce another Shag
print coming out, though Josh needs no help from me.

Painting on the left; early approximation of the serigraph
(coming in December) on the right:


The original was at the "Merchant of Menace" show,
which was Shag's interpretations of Shakespeare's works.
This one being Romeo and Juliet.

Gotta say I agree with their selection of a image to release as
a print from that show. I expect this print will sell out fast.


Best,
Gromit Fan


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Cultjam
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Posted: 2008-12-04 12:16 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2008-11-29 22:06, Gromit_Fan wrote:
I know I am beating a dead horse,
but I actually like comparing and contrasting
paintings vs serigraphs.



Me too!

The Masquerade original as posted on Shag's site:


Masquerade Party print from the gallery website:



Happy hunting!
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