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What AreYou Drinking- Right Now?
wizzard419
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Posted: 2014-07-06 8:17 pm   Permalink

Bad enough he (and family) had slaves, but to welch on a bar tab is just unforgivable.

 
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jamoke
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From: Arizona
Posted: 2014-07-06 8:58 pm   Permalink

Tiger Shark (double batch)

1 oz DonQ Gold
1 oz DonQ Crystal
1 oz Lemon Hart 151
1 oz Fresh Lime Juice
1 oz unsweetened Pineapple Juice
1 oz Simple Syrup
8 oz Crushed ice

Add all to blender, saving the ice for last, blend for 5 seconds.
Pour into a tall chimney glass.

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wizzard419
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Posted: 2014-07-06 9:05 pm   Permalink

That is one thing I have always wondered, what exactly is "unsweetened pineapple juice"? The only juice I see at the stores is all just pineapple (some from concentrate some not) but none of it has added sugars. Considering how sweet fresh pineapple is on it's own, I can't imagine anyone wanting to add sugar to it.

 
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Kill Devil
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Posted: 2014-07-07 07:02 am   Permalink

In defense of the Founding Fathers, drinking the booze back then was less dangerous than the water!

 
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AceExplorer
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From: Deep in the Jacksonville Florida jungle.
Posted: 2014-07-07 08:32 am   Permalink

Wizzard, I *think* unsweetened pineapple juice simply means that it was not processed the same way that other juices are processed - with sweeteners and/or other additives to offset the negative effects of the concentration and pasteurization process. I can't confirm this, but I think pineapple juice is pretty much the by-product of coring and slicing fresh pineapples. The juice which comes out of this operation gets canned. But it is also possible that the juice is first sterilized (by pasteurization) and therefore canned juice is not as good as fresh-from-pressed fruit. Maybe someone else knows how unsweetened pineapple juice is actually made and processed?

I remember the "old days" when I saw pineapples being cored and sliced at the former Dole plant in Honolulu. That was cool.
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wizzard419
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Posted: 2014-07-07 12:25 pm   Permalink

I don't think you can sell (outside of a farm stand) juice that isn't pasteurized because it would immediately start to ferment and while even more alcohol (all soft-drinks contain trace levels) would be nice, having your juice containers burst from all the CO2 would probably not be so cool.

The juice industry apparently is quite weird. OJ, for example, is rumored to use "flavoring capsules" (or some other term) where the juice basically starts out like water with no flavor and then the sugars, pulp, oils, etc are added back in tiny particles that burst open as the product degrades so the fresh flavor remains. This isn't limited to the cheap brands either, this is done for every brand, creating unique flavor profiles that can be consistently produced all year round. Which is also why you never say "I won't drink OJ in the summer because it doesn't taste good".

Even bottled water apparently has a similar process for spring water. Since they need a consistent level of dissolved salts and minerals (and also just in case of well contamination) they distill the water then add back the correct levels.


 
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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2014-07-07 12:44 pm   Permalink

Yeah, good points, I have heard of micro-encapsulation but never in fruit juices. All "from concentrate" orange juices taste bad to me. So when I get good and balanced fresh fruit I try to squeeze-and-freeze whenever possible.

With water, I don't know anyone who uses a real distillation process because it uses too much energy. From first-hand experience with Dasani, I know high-volume reverse osmosis is used to purify the water. Then they add powdered minerals and salts. But the reason is entirely to ensure consistency of batches all year round AND so they can patent their formula for their flavor. Adding minerals and salts back into the purified water is required because plain reverse osmosis water just doesn't taste "good enough" without some minerals and salts. No micro-encapsulation for "freshness" is involved for that water product.

Interesting info.


 
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wizzard419
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Posted: 2014-07-07 12:54 pm   Permalink

It might be RO that I am thinking of, at the same time distillation might have been the way to go when they did that special on Sparklets.

I'd be surprised if any company would patent their formulas since it would place it on record and a patent is one of the shortest lived protections you can place on your property. This is why KFC, Coke, etc. don't file patents and opt for trade secrets.


 
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AdOrAdam
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Posted: 2014-07-07 1:17 pm   Permalink

@ wizard419 & AceExplorer:

You are some knowledgeable guys about flavouring & preserving processes!


 
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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2014-07-07 2:05 pm   Permalink

Wizzard - thanks for pointing out the difference between patents and trade secrets - I honestly never thought of that and the differences between the two. I think you are right on target that the formulas would be out in the world if they were to be patented. That's good to know.

AdOrAdam - about being "knowledgeable" - I'm just a drunk making s**t up as I go along! hahahaha...


 
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wizzard419
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Posted: 2014-07-07 2:14 pm   Permalink

Patents are very weird, but it is good that they have such short lifespans otherwise things like medication would constantly stay high in the US (other first world countries force the drug makers to lower prices) forever. I think the only reason they even file patents instead of sticking to trade secrets is that the FDA requires the formula be open to scrutiny from outside groups.

This has actually led to a huge problem for drug makers too, India has become a hotbed for the production of unauthorized generics for meds still under protection. Same formulas, purity, production standards, etc. being sold for pennies. Where it starts to get really sticky though is that they aren't knocking off Viagra, Vicodin, etc. they are doing it with things like AIDS medication and selling it in Africa where a month's supply of the brand name stuff costs thousands and the generics costs tens.


 
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lunavideogames
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From: San Diego
Posted: 2014-07-09 3:29 pm   Permalink

I am drinking a Rum Punch in the BVI.




 
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thePorpoise
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Posted: 2014-07-09 4:39 pm   Permalink

get to the Soggy Dollar and get us a full report-- stat!

 
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lunavideogames
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Posted: 2014-07-09 6:34 pm   Permalink

I think Willie T's is first but Soggy Dollar is on the agenda. Getting this thread back on track soon. Too dark to take a picture of my Painkiller right now, all the pictures are crap.

 
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Sunny&Rummy
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From: Melbourne, FL
Posted: 2014-07-09 6:45 pm   Permalink

Taking a break from Tiki/tropical and drinking Vieux Carre. No fancy rye tonight, just good reliable Old Overholt. Tasty drink.
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