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Lemon Hart 151 question
spacelooper
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Posted: 2009-06-06 07:24 am   Permalink

Hello,

I know alot of recipes call for the Lemon Hart 151.As a Tennessee resident I am unable to find Lemon Hart in Nashville and apparently they can't get it.I do not think that the distributor for nashville has it.SO basically NONE of the stores here have it.As a double wammy I can't get alcohol shipped to me either, another great TN law.So this leaves me a bit high and dry with the lemon hart 151... well at least DRY.I can get Eldordo Demerara although I have not seen the high strength 151 Eldorado here either. Are there any subs that I can use for Lemon Hart 151? Can you use Eldorado? Is it basically that it is calling for a Demerara rum or is the 151 important? I would greatly appreciate any help on this subject as it seems there is no way I can get Lemon Hart 151 here in Nashville.

thanks,
Todd


 
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Coco Joe
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From: Los Angeles
Posted: 2009-06-06 10:31 am   Permalink

Being an ex-Shelbyville resident I would like to help you out and ship you some. Send me a PM if interested.

-Joe


 
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hiwattowner
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From: Near Boston, MA
Posted: 2009-06-06 10:48 am   Permalink

Buy it while you can. The word on the Ministry of Rum forum is that DDL (the distiller) is discontinuing production of Lemon Hart 151.

See:
www.ministryofrum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2713

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hiwattowner
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From: Near Boston, MA
Posted: 2009-06-06 10:58 am   Permalink

Three possible replacements when supplies of the Lemon Hart 151 have run out:

1. El Dorado over proof. Limited distribution. I've never actually seen this up here in MA, but it is available in some states.

2. Goslings Black Seal 151. Not quite right but has a lot of flavor, similar color and consistency and packs a wallop. Pretty widely available.

3. Wood's Old Navy Demerara Rum. Not available in U.S. I picked some up passing through Heathrow. Bottled at 114 proof. Works really well in a Navy Grog.


 
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Limbo Lizard
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Posted: 2009-06-08 11:14 am   Permalink

Other than the increased alcohol "bite", does the flavor of the LH 80-proof Demerara differ much from the 151? I haven't been able to find the 151, here, for years, anyway.
I absolutely prefer the taste of Lemon Hart over El Dorado. On the grounds of preserving the taste profile of a recipe, I'd be inclined to simply sub the LH 80 for the 151, rather than switch brands, or to a non-Demerara 151 rum. Then I'd maybe add 1/2 ounce of Cruzan's 151, if I wanted to bump the alcohol back up a little.
Am I wrong on this - does the same quantity of LH 80 Demerara, in a cocktail, produce a taste significantly different from using the 151? If so, does subbing, say, Gosling's or El Dorado's 151 bring the taste of that cocktail back closer to what it should be, than the LH 80? If you have all of the rums under discussion, perhaps you could spend some time in the laboratory, and report the results.
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leisure master
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Posted: 2009-06-08 12:04 pm   Permalink

LH does have a consistent flavor profile when you compare the 80 and 151, with the 151 obviously having more burn.

Unfortunately there really is no substitute that does better than just an OK job beyond the high-proof ED, which is OK, but just not close to LH 151.

If you cannot get LH, maybe experiment by mixing ED 5 or some other lower-proof (and lower price) demerara rum with a light-flavored high-proof like Wray & Nephew Overproof so there will minimal impact on the demerara flavor, which is what you are looking for as much as the 151 kick.
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Limbo Lizard
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From: Aboard the 'Leaky Tiki', Dallas
Posted: 2009-06-09 4:21 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2009-06-08 12:04, leisure master wrote:
"LH does have a consistent flavor profile when you compare the 80 and 151, with the 151 obviously having more burn.


Thanks, that's what I had hoped. As long as the LH 80 Demerara is still around, we can use it to make the cocktails that called for the 151. They'll taste essentially the same - just minus a bit of "burn".
Quote:

"...so there will minimal impact on the demerara flavor, which is what you are looking for as much as the 151 kick."


That's what I was thinking, when I mentioned adding 1/2 oz. of Cruzan's 151, to bring the total alcohol up to the same level as 1 oz. of LH 151 Demerara. I figured the taste of 1/2 oz. of Cruzan would nearly disappear, underneath the much more assertive Demerara. But, if one wished to avoid any extraneous flavors, while getting the alcohol amount back up, then about 1/3 ounce of Everclear would also do it.
Personally, if a recipe calls for 151 Demerara, I'll probably just sub the same amount of LH 80 for LH 151, and be done with it.


 
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captnkirk
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Posted: 2009-06-10 06:33 am   Permalink

I would order it on the internet anyway.

I live in a state where I am not legally allowed to have alcohol shipped to me.
However I have done it about twenty times, and so far nothing has happened.
The sellers will usually ship it to me and it always arrives.

One time I did have to travel to a UPS distribution center and present them with ID to prove I was over 21 before they would turn over my package.


 
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rugbymatt
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Posted: 2009-06-10 07:04 am   Permalink

I am now hearing that there is no cause for alarm. The production "shutdown" of LH151 is only to allow inventories to be reduced.
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Limbo Lizard
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Posted: 2009-06-10 09:32 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2009-06-10 07:04, rugbymatt wrote:
I am now hearing that there is no cause for alarm. The production "shutdown" of LH151 is only to allow inventories to be reduced.



Well, then, let's all pitch in and do our part to reduce those inventories.
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Professor Pineapple
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Posted: 2009-07-08 06:40 am   Permalink

I know this gets asked fairly often, but does anyone have a source for LH151 in the CT/MA/RI area? I'm about to order from California, and thought I'd ask here first.

Thanks!


 
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The Mayor Of Exotica
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Posted: 2009-07-08 07:35 am   Permalink

Both Blanchards in Alston, and Martignetti's on Soldier's Field Rd are reliable sources, and at a good price.

 
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Swanky
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Posted: 2009-07-08 09:28 am   Permalink

I live in TN and have the same problem with supply. My solution has been to get out of state friends who can receive liquor shipments to let me send it to them when they are about to visit. I order a big supply every now and then and get a mule to bring it from FL or GA or SC. THere is usually someone to do that. I am about to do it again as my LH 151 is gone and my 80 proof is about gone.

As for substitution. If you can get El Do, you can probably get El Do 12 year, which is pretty cheap and a good sub for LH. Otherwise, you have to taste around. Try the Barbados Plantation rum. And don't be too picky. Realize that the recipe you have is perhaps an interpretaion of the original. We can't get the rums they used in 1950 to make a Nui Nui or 151 Swizzle. They don't compare. You are not going to "ruin" a drink by substituting. It may be different is all. And, it's probably different even if you had all the ingredients called for. Just pick a nice flavorful, relatively smooth rum. Clement, St. James Ambre, even Appleton VX. Use what you have. The Bum does! At the Hukilau seminar he ends up picking somethign else to go in the drinks than what the recipe calls for.
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Professor Pineapple
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From: Manchester CT
Posted: 2009-07-08 10:09 am   Permalink

Thanks for the tips, I'll be heading up that way soon! Oddly, I have no problem getting LH 80 in CT.

I agree about substitutions. It's just annoying when you spend months acquiring (and making) all manner of odd ingredients, only to be left wondering what that 151 "extra kick" would have added.


 
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rev_thumper
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From: Koala Kabana, New England
Posted: 2009-07-08 6:25 pm   Permalink

Kappy's on Rt. 1 in Saugus is also a reliable source for he 151.

And you can stop at Kowloon at the same time, bonus!

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