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Tiki Central Forums Bilge 78th smoke-free day! (the great Tiki central mass stop-smoking thread)
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78th smoke-free day! (the great Tiki central mass stop-smoking thread)
lucas vigor
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Joined: May 12, 2004
Posts: 3985
From: SOCAL
Posted: 2009-06-14 08:58 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2009-06-14 08:27, telescopes wrote:
When people quit smoking cigarettes, I am always willing to offer my kudos.

However, I am a life-long pipe and cigar smoker. I smoke a few times a month and enjoy the hell out of it. My problem is that society looks at the cigar and pipe the same way they do cigarettes - like shooting up H.

LIke Bill Clinton, as a general rule, pipe and cigar smokers don't inhale. Unlike cigarettes, walking away from pipes and cigars is easy. No shakes, no mental agony. Nada.

With all of the celebration about quitting smoking, please be mindful that the Tiki Ti is a smokers only choice for drinking and smoking a cigar in a public bar.

Here's my request. When I am at the Ti, enjoying my Ray's Mistake, coddling my cigar, please don't approach me and ask me to take it somewhere else.



I love the smell of pipes and cigars. But for an ex-smoker, they are dangerous, because they are the gateway to starting cigarettes again. For someone like you, you ARE at risk for oral cancer, however...the risk might be pretty small.

If nicotine was the type of drug that most people could control, it would not be as much a problem. Speaking for myself, I can't do the occasional cigarette, or the "only on the weekend" smoking, though I know some people can. For me, one would lead to another, and another, and another.

I don't want to be a nag, but the simple truth is, if you can taste it or smell it, it's getting in your system! And that would include second hand smoke as well.

For someone like me, I would rather avoid a place that allows indoor smoking, unless there is really good ventilation or fans (like at the morongo casino) and I don't want to restrict your right to slowly kill yourself, just as long as you are being reasoneable about it and not planning on taking me out as well. Smoking laws are a good thing in my opinion, but I don't want this thread to veer off into politics.


 
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JenTiki
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Joined: Jun 16, 2006
Posts: 1837
From: An island in the bay
Posted: 2009-06-14 12:29 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2009-06-14 08:27, telescopes wrote:
When people quit smoking cigarettes, I am always willing to offer my kudos.

However, I am a life-long pipe and cigar smoker. I smoke a few times a month and enjoy the hell out of it. My problem is that society looks at the cigar and pipe the same way they do cigarettes - like shooting up H.

LIke Bill Clinton, as a general rule, pipe and cigar smokers don't inhale. Unlike cigarettes, walking away from pipes and cigars is easy. No shakes, no mental agony. Nada.



But pipes and cigars will give you lung cancer, just like cigarettes do. My father was a pipe and cigar smoker into his mid-40s, but never once picked up a cigarette. He died at an early 67 from esophageal cancer that spread to his lungs, 20 years after he quit! Tobacco is tobacco and and it doesn't have to get deep into the recesses of your lungs to kill you. I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy to go through what my father went through in the last two months of his life! It's not a pretty way to die and I guess I'll never understand why people are willing to continue smoking knowing what they're going to go through, and what they're going to put their loved ones through.


 
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-06-14 12:31 pm   Permalink

Exactly.

 
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telescopes
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Joined: May 06, 2007
Posts: 567
From: Palm Springs
Posted: 2009-06-14 1:01 pm   Permalink

[quote]
On 2009-06-14 12:29, JenTiki wrote:
Quote:

On 2009-06-14 08:27, telescopes wrote:
I'll never understand why people are willing to continue smoking knowing what they're going to go through, and what they're going to put their loved ones through.



But drinking and destroying your liver or being a dysfunctional alcoholic who messes up their children's lives is okay?

Tiki is not a virtue. It is a vice, plain and simple.

There is nothing honorable or glorious about choosing one obsession for another unless you consider that at least with smoking you don't loose your job, family, or leave your children emotionally unequipped to deal with life. Might you die early. Yes. Is it good not to smoke. Yes. But thinking that not smoking is better than not smoking and yet still drinking more than 3 oz of alcohol a day or drinking to excess is an illusion.

Both kill, both destroy, and ultimately families are the ones that pay the price.

The Tiki Ti is a temple dedicated to the embracing of vice. All who enter it understand the consequences.




 
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leleliz
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Joined: Sep 02, 2008
Posts: 1981
From: NorCal
Posted: 2009-06-14 1:26 pm   Permalink

If you want to smoke..then smoke. If you don't or you quit then that is your choice as well. Why is everyone so concerned with getting others to stop smoking--esp those who recently have stopped themselves?

I get so tired of people standing on top of their soapboxes and looking down at others--esp when in lieu of smoking they eat too much or drink too much or shop too much or drive recklessly or do one or more of a million other things that can affect others negatively.

People should be less concerned with what other people are doing and worry about themselves.

The government has already stepped in to prohibit smoking in the majority of shared spaces and if you dont want to inhale smoke at a bar that allows it then DON'T GO.

Why is this concept so hard to understand?

Congrats if you give up 1 addiction--which smoking is--but leave others to their own devices because unless you follow every law, dont overinduldge on anything and are pretty much a saint then regardless of not smoking you don't have any room to judge anyone who does.

::steps off soapbox::

[ This Message was edited by: leleliz 2009-06-14 13:35 ]


 
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lucas vigor
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From: SOCAL
Posted: 2009-06-14 2:03 pm   Permalink

[quote]
On 2009-06-14 13:01, telescopes wrote:
Quote:

On 2009-06-14 12:29, JenTiki wrote:
Quote:

On 2009-06-14 08:27, telescopes wrote:
I'll never understand why people are willing to continue smoking knowing what they're going to go through, and what they're going to put their loved ones through.



But drinking and destroying your liver or being a dysfunctional alcoholic who messes up their children's lives is okay?at least with smoking you don't loose your job, family, or leave your children emotionally unequipped to deal with life. Might you die early. Thinking that not smoking is better than not smoking and yet still drinking more than 3 oz of alcohol a day or drinking to excess is an illusion.





Did anyone say being an alky was ok? With smoking, you might lose your job, family...because your DEAD!! I can't speak for others, but I do not drink 3 oz of alcohol a day. Also don't drink to excess all the time. Just occasionally.


 
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lucas vigor
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Joined: May 12, 2004
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From: SOCAL
Posted: 2009-06-14 2:12 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2009-06-14 13:26, leleliz wrote:
Why is everyone so concerned with getting others to stop smoking--esp those who recently have stopped themselves?

I get so tired of people standing on top of their soapboxes and looking down at others--esp when in lieu of smoking they eat too much or drink too much or shop too much or drive recklessly or do one or more of a million other things that can affect others negatively.

People should be less concerned with what other people are doing and worry about themselves.

The government has already stepped in to prohibit smoking in the majority of shared spaces and if you dont want to inhale smoke at a bar that allows it then DON'T GO.

Why is this concept so hard to understand?

Congrats if you give up 1 addiction--which smoking is--but leave others to their own devices because unless you follow every law, dont overinduldge on anything and are pretty much a saint then regardless of not smoking you don't have any room to judge anyone who does.

::steps off soapbox::

[ This Message was edited by: leleliz 2009-06-14 13:35 ]



Why is everyone concerned? Because some of us are nice people. You get tired of people standing on soapboxes and "looking down at others"??

I was not aware that was what I was doing. I was just sharing a personal success story. Hopefully it inspires some other people.

This thread was not started by me to engage in political discussion, either covertly or overtly. I can see some of you are veering in that direction, especially leleliz with your codeword of "government has already stepped in", which pretty much identifies your political leanings. Frankly, I would rather not know. Use another thread as your soapbox to push your anti-government agenda, please.

If anyone wants to know how I am doing with my smoking cessation, please PM me. Likewise, if anyone wants to try to quit and needs a anti-smoking buddy, please contact me.

I am done with this thread, and since some of you are pushing it into the political realm too far, I suggest that this thread be locked, and I am sorry I started it. Pushing some stupid political agenda was NOT what I started this thread for!!!! I had no ulterior motives, just sharing a personal story, that's it.

[ This Message was edited by: Lucas Vigor 2009-06-14 14:27 ]


 
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