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Prog Rock!
lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-06-27 8:37 pm   Permalink

1980's era YES:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78BivgombIE&feature=related

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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-06-27 8:46 pm   Permalink

Mid period King Crimson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJTvbgcIVQ8&feature=related

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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-06-27 8:52 pm   Permalink

1980's King Crimson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjTxM1FiTzU

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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-06-27 8:58 pm   Permalink

Early 1970's era ELP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y1x04hAUT4

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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-06-27 8:59 pm   Permalink

1990's era ELP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH4LAitSXCM

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Posted: 2009-06-29 11:48 pm   Permalink

uh ok,
do you like that stuff?

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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-06-30 07:46 am   Permalink

Not really any more. I used to, back in the late 70's, early 80's!

 
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Posted: 2009-07-02 08:14 am   Permalink

Lucas, I’m guessing you still do, or else you wouldn’t be posting links to it here. And more power to you! It’s obvious most folks here wouldn’t like “that stuff,” but I suspect their reasons are more sociological than musicological. While stylistically worlds apart, I think there are a few parallels between “tiki music” and progressive rock.

1. Both require a definitive level of dexterity and speed to play well. As an example, I heard Josh Gibson of the Haole Kats play the best & fastest version of “Flight of the Bumblebee” at Hukilau 2009 I’ve ever heard. Keith Emerson (of Emerson, Lake & Palmer for the deprived) has incorporated that riff into his keyboard solo since the late sixties.
2. Many of the old-guard proggers were teens when the surf music craze was at its height. Greg Lake (again of ELP) grew up on Hank Marvin & the Shadows, and has cited their music frequently in interviews. On the rehearsal program of his two-DVD set “Greg Lake Live,” he breaks out into “Apache,” and has been photographed innumerable times in the last two decades wearing hula shirts.
3. Whether it’s a live Polynesian floor show a la the Mai-Kai, or a seventies Yes extravaganza, both phenomena can boast a high level of drama in presentation. Both openly acknowledge the entertainment value of spectacle.
4. Both require a sense of tongue-in-cheek humor and a sense of kitsch to fully appreciate. Without it, both Tiki and prog would seem to be pointless and really sad.
5. Both are equally derivative of older musical disciplines that both the general public & mainstream music critics might regard as passé and possibly politically incorrect.


And while I can’t say I want to hear a Mellotron-soaked rendition of “Quiet Village” any time soon, I can boast that I like both “tiki music” as well as old-school progressive rock. Fans of both schools will tell you that not everyone “gets it.” Those few of us who are fortunate enough to “get” both are doubly-fortunate. Dissing one or the other doesn’t enhance your enjoyment of the other, it just means you’re missing out on something that a lot of other people can’t be peer-pressured out of appreciating.

So come out of that prog closet, man. There’s nothing cool about embracing silly musical prejudices for the sake of preserving somebody else’s lack of appreciation.

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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-07-02 09:29 am   Permalink

A mellotron version of quiet village? That actually might not be too bad an idea!
I have a Les Baxter CD taken from some live show he did on tv, and he does a version of quiet village with strings...but the quality is old and faded sounding, which actually already has that creaky old mellotron sound, so it's not such a stretch, I guess.

For me, the distinction between prog/avante garde and exotica is simply one of the musical background (Jazz for the lounge acts, classical and beatles for the prog bands) though I know that classical (ravel and debussy in particular) were a basis for a lot of Martin Denny's stuff....there are exceptions, but I am talking as a rule...also, the distinction between the art and cultural (even drug) movements is strongly there. People listening to Martin Denny in the old days were probably sipping a martini in thier bachelor pad, while someone listening to YES (for example) would have been hitting that 2 footer in a darkened room. It really seems polar opposites.

When King Crimson first came back on the scene in 1980 with Discipline, to me, that music was very, very exotic. It took me mentally to Africa, to the sveltd and the savannah. Dark clouds rolling in while giraffes and elephants scrabled underneath...you get the picture, of course..but again, the music was very serious to me. Not much humor or whimsy about it, and that to me is a hallmark of most exotica music...though it's heavy, it's also lighthearted...

To answer your other question, I really don't listen to a lot of prog rock anymore, but there was a period of time (Late 70's) when I could not get enough of it! I still respect it, of course..and love the players. Several of the bass players are my main influences (Chris Squire, Geddy Lee, John Wetton) but these days I am more into strong melodies, and I really actually don't like much rock music as a whole anymore. Having said that, I have been listening to exotica, lounge and even world music since I was a real small kid, so it actually predates my love of prog rock. Prog rock is definitely not for every one. That mexican band you posted is one of the best I have ever seen, by the way. They should be added to this thread.


 
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Posted: 2009-07-02 09:35 am   Permalink

as long as it ain't surf music
i'll give it a listen....


 
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Posted: 2009-07-02 09:42 am   Permalink

One other thing I forgot to mention is that for me, listening to both Exotica and progressive rock (as opposed to folk- and blues-based Americana, pop songs, dance music, ad nauseum) is a form of active relaxation by way of engaging the imagination.
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Posted: 2009-07-03 12:09 am   Permalink

WARNING: NOT FOR THE MUSICALLY MYOPIC

Wow! Music outside the surfzotica box! Whodathunkit? I'm glad you kids are discussing this and maintaining civility! YAY!!

BTD, Don't worry, I won't try to spoon feed you any prog. Trust me, it will cause you to have massive epileptic seizures. And I don't want to be responsible for that, heavens no.

I will preface this entire rant with "I know what I like. It probably isn't what you like. There is no wrong or right here."


I still derive great pleasure from certain "prog" bands. Lucas, perhaps you don't listen to much prog any more because you were only exposed to a tiny little section of the movement. A lot of late 70s - 80s "prog" was uber-mechanical in nature and lyrically dumbed down in an attempt to achieve commercial success. 1980s era UK, Yes, Genesis, Asia, although technically proficient, were the death knell for prog and its initial experimental nature.

I never considered Rush to be prog. Using odd meters for the sake of using odd meters...ummmm....nope. Sorry. Dream Theatre...same bag. "Ice pick... meet forehead!"

Just my personal take.


I would suggest you check out some more jazzier or psych influenced prog ie:
Soft Machine
Egg
Matching Mole
Gong
Hatfield and The North
National Health
Amon Duul II
Henry Cow
Curved Air
Can (probably better classified as proto-trance)
etc....

But I'm always game for Gentle Giant or Gryphon as well. The classically influenced stuff is OK, as long as it's got some emotion.

I was fortunate enough to tour and record with Richard Sinclair in '93 and '94 and with Peter Bardens in the late '90s. Pete passed away in 2002 and I was honored to play with him at his last performance in 2001.

If you're not familiar with Richard, I suggest either 2 Hatfield and The North albums, the Hatfield BBC tapes or his earlier work with Caravan. Rich's bass work on Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom is scary good too.

As for Pete, any early Camel or his 1970 solo album.

Richard is still scraping away in Italy, writing and performing wherever he can. A more gifted musician and generous man you will never meet.

While Pete died damn near penniless, his devotion to his art never wavered. He wasn't in it for the money. He was an artist in the true sense of the word. And while many people didn't "get it" many of us did. At least those of us who cared to open our ears beyond the daily dreck shoved down our throats by the corporate media pigs. Thanks Pete.

Oh shite! Did I just leave my prog closet door open????

White Devil, I'm always looking to discover new stuff so fire away.






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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-07-03 08:29 am   Permalink

I would have to disagree with you (Civily, of course!) on two counts:

1. RUSH is definitely a prog rock band, on all counts. They occupy the harder edge of prog rock, but they have all the hallmarks of what a prog rock band is. And I am not just talking about odd time signatures, because If I was, we could include Dave Matthews in there.

2. With the exception of Can and curved air, yes, you are right...my experience with prog rock is limited, but these were not main stream or highly popular prog rock bands at all. The essential "prog" rock bands, as considered by major music magazines will always be KIng Crimson, ELP, YES, early Genesis, UK and RUSH. These are the bands that had major releases that everyone pre-internet knew about. I don't agree that just because something is popular, that is is the death knell. Listen to later period YES albums like Drama, for example. This was the 80's, and it is still experimental and cool. Check out the track "machine messiah". It's not all pop music with heavy techno-synth aspects. Some of the bands you mentioned are highly obsure. It's like saying that "Weather Report ain't really jazz fusion, check out 'Oregon' if you want to see real fusion".

There are many bands that I also think fit in with the prog rock genre. Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Kansas, styx, etc...all of these bands dabbled with it.

To me, there was a distinction at the time of prog rock that I felt. Prog rock was what I liked. 10CC and Elton John were what the OTHER people liked. Now, I like pretty much all of it. There is very little music I actually don't like, except metal, most hip hop, Jimmy Buffett, jam band scene, modern country, other then that I like pretty much everything. Not myoptic at all!

I stopped listening to a lot of prog rock not because I was only exposed to a narrow slice of it, but because like most music critics, I grew to want good melodies and lyrics that meant something, or were not so much fantasy/sci fi based. Essentially, I grew up. Trippy, deep music no longer appeals to me like it did before.


 
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Joe Banks
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Posted: 2009-07-03 08:47 am   Permalink

I would like a Tikiyaki Orchestra cover of the complete "The Lamb lies down on Broadway" album.
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-07-03 08:50 am   Permalink

Someone told me that they thought the jam band scene was progressive.

I would have to totally disagree. Check out Phish:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM2dqCEDW1o

Beyond being fantastically boring, there is not a single thing progressive about it. One of the other aspects of prog rock was a high level of musicianship, and these guys just don't have it.


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