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squid
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Joined: Sep 30, 2002
Posts: 1462 |  Posted: 2009-07-09 3:58 pm Permalink
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On 2009-07-04 17:40, Shipwreckjoey wrote:
Not all of these bands are considered "Prog Rock" by definition, but where is the line drawn between prog rock, industrial, electronica, ambient, experimental and white noise?
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Good point. The "line" is rather blurry. OK, I freakin' hate musical labels period. But it seems a necessary evil for marketing.
Once I discovered some of my favorite bands had the label "progressive" pinned on them, (I had previously referred to them as "underground") it lead me to other styles. We didn't have the google or the youtube or the interwebs and such back then. If the record was in the "import" or "progressive" bin, it was worth throwing 6 to 12 bucks at it to see what it was. Especially if one player was recognized from a band you knew.(or if it had a cool cover!)
Caravan lead me to Hatfield which led to National Health, which lead to Henry Cow which lead to Art Bears, etc, etc. All of those bands being completely their own thing.
I wouldn't necessarily say that Henry Cow is "progressive rock" but that's how I found them. They do incorporate elements of rock into an Ornette Coleman/Stockhausen/Avant Garde stew. So what label should be imposed on this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A5mUxLvDc4&feature=related
Hey, let's throw in some Kurt Weill flavor and add Dagmar Krause on vocals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg5i0OcEOyE
What the hell is it now?
It's music!
Labels may be a good reference point but...
Labels for music can also be prisons for the artists and mental roadblocks for the potential listeners.
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little lost tiki
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Joined: Jun 12, 2006
Posts: 7463
From: Orange,CA-right near the Circle!
| Posted: 2009-07-09 4:01 pm Permalink
Which is EXACTLY why
we should BAN lucas
and bring BONG back!
is ELO prog-rock?
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lucas vigor
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Joined: May 12, 2004
Posts: 3453
From: "I've chopped my way through real jungle
| Posted: 2009-07-09 4:05 pm Permalink
In my opinion, no, ELO is not prog rock....because their sound was very Beatle's based!
The Beatles sure had a hand in the prog rock sound..I would dare say there might not be any prog rock bands if not for the Beatles, but strictly speaking, to be a prog rock musician you had to at one point in your life been into lord of the rings AND have worn some sort of custom-made cape on stage!
Basically, this:
http://www.huxrecords.com/rick_wakeman1.jpg
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little lost tiki
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Posts: 7463
From: Orange,CA-right near the Circle!
| Posted: 2009-07-09 4:15 pm Permalink
What about Beefheart and Zappa and a zillion others?
the beatles participated IN
more than INSPIRED Prog-rock....
Man!
all you "experts" sure are dumb....
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squid
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Posts: 1462 | Posted: 2009-07-09 4:16 pm Permalink
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On 2009-07-04 14:33, bigtikidude wrote:
well this will probably get panned by all of you.
but here goes.
------Way to get people to listen to it!
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lucas vigor
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From: "I've chopped my way through real jungle
| Posted: 2009-07-09 4:23 pm Permalink
You know you are in a prog rock band is you have done or have engaged in any of the following behavior:
1. Wearing of capes
2. Vegetarianism OR extreme meat eating
3. Keyboards that sound like Spinal Tap mark 2 live at Magic mountain (with puppet show)
4. Incredibly ugly band members
5. Lyrics about the Lord of the rings (Or anything involving druids)
6. You had hit records between 1969 and 1974
7. No chicks like your records. At all. Period.
8. Your band mate was voted "best guitar player" in 1972
9. More then two of your songs are based on classical music.
10. You are English (and therefore incredibly ugly)
11. Music critics hated you, guitar players LOVED you!
12. You have long hair, wear spandex and play a flute! (see post below)
[ This Message was edited by: Lucas Vigor 2009-07-09 17:52 ]
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Babalu
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Posts: 2498
From: Lemon Grove
| Posted: 2009-07-09 5:10 pm Permalink
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King Bushwich the 33rd
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Joined: Jan 10, 2005
Posts: 955
From: Ling Cod Beach, CA 90803
| Posted: 2009-07-09 10:10 pm Permalink
Some questions have plagued me about Prog Rock:
Arp or Moog?
Which was better and why?
On the album "Point of Know Return" by Kansas, one of the intruments listed is a "Peabody Chromatic Inverter"
Kansas: Point of Know Return
What is a Peabody Chromatic Inverter?
[ This Message was edited by: King Bushwich the 33rd 2009-07-09 22:22 ]
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squid
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Joined: Sep 30, 2002
Posts: 1462 | Posted: 2009-07-09 10:48 pm Permalink
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On 2009-07-09 22:10, King Bushwich the 33rd wrote:
Some questions have plagued me about Prog Rock:
Arp or Moog?
Which was better and why?
On the album "Point of Know Return" by Kansas, one of the intruments listed is a "Peabody Chromatic Inverter"
Kansas: Point of Know Return
What is a Peabody Chromatic Inverter?
[ This Message was edited by: King Bushwich the 33rd 2009-07-09 22:22 ]
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That question should be asked here: http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=32779&forum=13&62
I'm sure you will get an interesting and informative, yet problematic answer.
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lucas vigor
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From: "I've chopped my way through real jungle
| Posted: 2009-07-10 08:27 am Permalink
"The album's performing credits listed one joke "instrument" for each band member, such as "chain-driven gong," "autogyro," "Rinaldo whistling machine" and "Peabody chromatic inverter"
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little lost tiki
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Joined: Jun 12, 2006
Posts: 7463
From: Orange,CA-right near the Circle!
| Posted: 2009-07-10 08:32 am Permalink
WAY TO GO
GEEKING OUT ON KANSAS!
this thread unintentionally cracks me up...
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lucas vigor
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Joined: May 12, 2004
Posts: 3453
From: "I've chopped my way through real jungle
| Posted: 2009-07-10 09:36 am Permalink
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On 2009-07-09 15:58, squid wrote:
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On 2009-07-04 17:40, Shipwreckjoey wrote:
Not all of these bands are considered "Prog Rock" by definition, but where is the line drawn between prog rock, industrial, electronica, ambient, experimental and white noise?
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Good point. The "line" is rather blurry. OK, I freakin' hate musical labels period. But it seems a necessary evil for marketing.
Once I discovered some of my favorite bands had the label "progressive" pinned on them, (I had previously referred to them as "underground") it lead me to other styles. We didn't have the google or the youtube or the interwebs and such back then. If the record was in the "import" or "progressive" bin, it was worth throwing 6 to 12 bucks at it to see what it was. Especially if one player was recognized from a band you knew.(or if it had a cool cover!)
Caravan lead me to Hatfield which led to National Health, which lead to Henry Cow which lead to Art Bears, etc, etc. All of those bands being completely their own thing.
I wouldn't necessarily say that Henry Cow is "progressive rock" but that's how I found them. They do incorporate elements of rock into an Ornette Coleman/Stockhausen/Avant Garde stew. So what label should be imposed on this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A5mUxLvDc4&feature=related
Hey, let's throw in some Kurt Weill flavor and add Dagmar Krause on vocals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg5i0OcEOyE
What the hell is it now?
It's music!
Labels may be a good reference point but...
Labels for music can also be prisons for the artists and mental roadblocks for the potential listeners.
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I checked out the Henry Cow.. Good stuff, Squid! If I had to categorize it, I would say "Jazz Rock", and would agree with the poster on youtube that said it was similar to early Chicago.
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squid
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Joined: Sep 30, 2002
Posts: 1462 | Posted: 2009-07-10 10:42 am Permalink
Now yer crackin' me up!
Early Chicago..... yeah....
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Lukeulele
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Joined: Feb 04, 2006
Posts: 356
From: So Cal-holic
| Posted: 2009-07-15 8:47 pm Permalink
And now for something completely different.....
Theremins rule!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg0KG2-5j_Y&feature=related
See how long it takes you to figure out the song he is playing.
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White Devil
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Joined: Jun 26, 2009
Posts: 241
From: The Interior, Deep South Pacific
| Posted: 2009-07-16 10:12 am Permalink
I listened to the whole thing and still can't tell what it's supposed to be, but we need to start a public awareness campaign to keep Theremins out of the hands of Soviet Socialist rednecks.
This reminds me of the bar band that was playing at the Atlanta Trader Vic's last week, when Tiger Lily, Basement Kahuna and his girlfriend Brooke and I visited. We were "treated" to a medley of eighties ballads, Celine Dion, Michael Jackson and Lynyrd Skynyrd (all accompanied by the Theremin) instead of tiki bar music. I would recommend firing this band ASAP and hiring our late-model Asian server to sing, instead.
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