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If this Tiki thing is nothing more than escapism, what (in particular) are you escaping from? |
Tipsy McStagger
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From: HELL
|  Posted: 2009-07-01 1:54 pm Permalink
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On 2009-07-01 13:52, King Bushwich the 33rd wrote:
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On 2009-06-30 14:43, White Devil wrote:
what (or who) are you trying to escape from?
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In the movie "The Wild One", didn't a woman ask the character played by Marlon Brando the same question and his reply was "What have ya got?"?
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I believe the line was "what is it you fellas are rebeling against?" -his reply "what have you got ?"
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dewey-surf
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From: Clearwater, FL
| Posted: 2009-07-01 4:15 pm Permalink
Tipsy, I totally agree with what you are saying.
My point was, to me the era of 1940's to 1960's had some cultural elements that is a shame are no longer around. That being said there was also some real crap happening during that time period as well. Korean War, Cold War, McCarthyism, JFK assasination, Civil Rights (or lack there of). So yes, all eras have their share of bad stuff, well noted.
Bring back the cars, music, fashion, and TIKI BARS from that era is all I'm saying. 
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RevBambooBen
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From: Huntikington Beach
| Posted: 2009-07-02 07:08 am Permalink
How does one Escape Escapism?
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little lost tiki
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From: Orange,CA-right near the Circle!
| Posted: 2009-07-02 09:29 am Permalink
How does one divide by Zero?
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White Devil
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From: The Interior, Deep South Pacific
| Posted: 2009-07-02 10:02 am Permalink
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On 2009-07-02 09:29, little lost tiki wrote:
How does one divide by Zero?
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Answer: Nature does it by creating a singularity. Man does it by creating a "Pink Chihuahua" mug and passing it off as Tiki.
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rugbymatt
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From: Sacramento
| Posted: 2009-07-02 11:03 am Permalink
I am escaping from my shiite job!
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rugbymatt
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| Posted: 2009-07-02 11:03 am Permalink
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thejab
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From: Forbidden Island, CA
| Posted: 2009-07-02 1:57 pm Permalink
I'm trying to escape from having to answer questions like these!
"Handling" life to me is getting the most personal fulfillment out of life as possible (which is different for everyone), and a big part of that for me is seeking out old restaurants and bars, trying a large variety of booze and cocktails, travel, etc. This is all part of the classic tiki experience IMO.
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Limbo Lizard
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From: Aboard the 'Leaky Tiki', Dallas
| Posted: 2009-07-02 2:58 pm Permalink
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On 2009-07-02 11:03, rugbymatt wrote:
"I am escaping from my shiite job!"
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What job is that... an Ayatollah?
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telescopes
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From: Palm Springs
| Posted: 2009-07-02 10:11 pm Permalink
What a great question to ask. But nobody is really trying escape as in "Escape from New York". Escapism in this sense is more like children playing "dress-up" or building a tree-house.
It's also like role-play.
Setting a side the intellectual aspects of tiki, i.e the drinks, velvet nudes, screaming folic symbols, exotica music, etc. all of which can be enjoyed from a pure academic interest, the tiki culture that Don the Beachcomber dreamt up connects to man's desire to lay down his tools and vacation for a brief moment in an idyllic place where the drinks are strong, the room is dark, and the women have big tits.
Okay... that last part was put in there to emphasis that being PC is also something from which we also want to escape. Don't believe me, just recall the last Tiki Oasis and the hotel room where Thee Swank Bastards were playing.
Yah, I saw you all there... and it wasn't the musicians you were all staring at.
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White Devil
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From: The Interior, Deep South Pacific
| Posted: 2009-07-03 05:02 am Permalink
Absolutely...I think the darkened room aspect also helps tone down the cheesiness of some of the decor. There've been some great perspectives posted here re: escapism. I just wanted to note that my own take on it excludes the latter-day frantic party atmosphere that has come to prevail at many of the poolside party events. Tiki bars were founded by tired, weary middle-age guys like me who just wanted to mellow out on the delicious cocktails, gaze at the anatomy and not be bothered by all the stuff that folks have said they're trying to escape from. You like to dance and whoop it up? Great, kid. Go do that at the opposite end of the joint: my friend and I were enjoying a quiet meal and good conversation.
For me, I think a large part of the appeal of haunting places like the Atlanta Trader Vic's goes back to my lifelong habit of frequenting restaurants that are almost empty. In college I would study at the nearby buffet restaurant between lunch and dinner when no one but the staff was around. I was a regular like the employees and could've left my study materials on my table from day to day if I'd wanted, almost. I could leisurely sample whatever food was out, drink endless coffee and not be bothered by anyone I didn't want to be bothered by. To this day, I still have dreams about that restaurant (closed from the mall and relocated into a smaller space now), and in the dreams, the buffet line extends into infinity. Perhaps it's just my loner tendencies, but it's tough to reconcile the loud, obnoxious party atmosphere (something I associate with the Ugly American syndrome as depicted in the novel of the same name) with the dark, quiet refuge that a good Tiki bar should be.
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telescopes
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From: Palm Springs
| Posted: 2009-07-03 08:15 am Permalink
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On 2009-07-03 05:02, White Devil wrote:
Absolutely...I think the darkened room aspect also helps tone down the cheesiness of some of the decor. There've been some great perspectives posted here re: escapism. I just wanted to note that my own take on it excludes the latter-day frantic party atmosphere that has come to prevail at many of the poolside party events. Tiki bars were founded by tired, weary middle-age guys like me who just wanted to mellow out on the delicious cocktails, gaze at the anatomy and not be bothered by all the stuff that folks have said they're trying to escape from. You like to dance and whoop it up? Great, kid. Go do that at the opposite end of the joint: my friend and I were enjoying a quiet meal and good conversation.
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I agree with you so much... except the reality of the situation is that many of the same people who went to Tiki Bars were also Shriners. Ever been to a Shriner's convention.
Better bring your ear plugs.
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GROG
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From: Tujunga
| Posted: 2009-07-03 11:31 am Permalink
Alot of the time, it's more about what GROG escaping TO and not FROM.
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Unga Bunga
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From: CaliTikifornia
| Posted: 2009-07-03 12:12 pm Permalink
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On 2009-07-03 11:31, GROG wrote:
Alot of the time, it's more about what GROG escaping TO and not FROM.
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Exactly,
I don't need a drink, I just want a drink.
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