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JOHN-O
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Posted: 2011-09-22 6:21 pm   Permalink

If you're like me, you can appreciate Los Angeles Film Noir for documenting LA architecture that no longer exists. Check out this period footage of Downtown LA's Bunker Hill in the 1940's...

http://www.archive.org/details/ADriveThroughBunkerHillAndDowntownLosAngelesCa.1940s

It blew my mind !!


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Chuck Tatum is Tiki
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Posted: 2011-09-22 7:57 pm   Permalink

Yes John, I always pay attention to the locales in movies shot in LA

 
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ErkNoLikeFire
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Posted: 2011-10-08 6:50 pm   Permalink

Finally watched Kansas City Confidential. Great movie! A rail thin, sweaty Jack Elam and a ferret eyed Lee Van Cliff. I wish the masks used in the heist were in the film more, but that would have gone against the plot. The blu ray looks amazing. You can really feel the heat and desperation.

Also watched Kona Coast (1968) with Richard Boone. It has that Ocean's Eleven feel of let's make a movie to write off our vacation. Also reminds me of the Big Lebowski in that the plot only exists to display the characters. It does have the noir hints of rain soaked streets and heavy dialog, just with Richard Boone in short shorts.
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Chuck Tatum is Tiki
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Posted: 2011-10-08 9:52 pm   Permalink

Caught Kona Coast on TCM a few months back, very cheesy, Boones shorts really stood out, imagine
Clint Eastwood in a Dirty Harry movie wearing Tennis shorts the whole time....


 
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ErkNoLikeFire
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Posted: 2011-10-13 12:05 am   Permalink

I'm trying not too....

 
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tikilongbeach
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Posted: 2013-03-13 09:28 am   Permalink

A Place in the Sun is a good, almost campy, film noir movie complete with a luau dinner scene and Hawaiian band. George Stevens directed it and it stars Elizabeth Taylor, Montgomery Clift and Shelley Winters. It won 6 Academy Awards.
Because of the plot twist I would guess the movie was considered risque' when it came out in 1951.

www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/116198/Place-in-the-Sun-A-Movie-Clip-Call-For-You-George.html

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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Posted: 2013-03-13 11:51 am   Permalink

Sorry Lori, but "A Place in the Sun" is not "Noir"
it is one of Montgomery Clift's better roles though.


 
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tikilongbeach
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Posted: 2013-03-13 12:09 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2013-03-13 11:51, Atomic Tiki Punk wrote:
Sorry Lori, but "A Place in the Sun" is not "Noir"
it is one of Montgomery Clift's better roles though.




If you Google 'A Place in the Sun film noir' it comes up that it has been shown in several film noir film festivals and is referenced in film noir websites.

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tikilongbeach
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Posted: 2013-03-13 12:21 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2013-03-13 11:51, Atomic Tiki Punk wrote:
Sorry Lori, but "A Place in the Sun" is not "Noir"
it is one of Montgomery Clift's better roles though.




I can see where you're coming from though. Most noir films age better than A Place in the Sun. We were laughing at some of the dramatic elements of the movie.
Clift's character can be defined as "stylish Hollywood crime dramas, particularly those that emphasize cynical attitudes and sexual motivations."
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Posted: 2013-03-13 12:30 pm   Permalink

A Place in the Sun, has none of the criteria of Noir, style or story really
it is firmly in place with the other Melodrama's George Stevens has made
such as "Giant" but he was known for Adventure & Comedy films more so til the early 50s


"Something to Live For" (1952) is probably the closest
George Stevens got to a Noir style film


 
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creativenative
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Posted: 2013-03-13 1:46 pm   Permalink

Here's what I compiled as Tiki Connections In Film Noir from thoughout TC and from South Seas Cinema:


HELL'S HALF ACRE (1954) REPUBLIC
Finally coming out in DVD/Blu-ray. One true Film Noir set in the Pacific.
We all have to check out Don the Beachcomber in Waikiki scene.
BLUE GARDENIA (1953) WARNER
We all know about the tiki bar scene w Nat King Cole
BROTHERS RICO, THE (1957) COLUMBIA
Only tiki connection here is Richard Conte’s cool tiki in his cool mid-
century bachelor pad.
MYSTERY STREETS (1950) MGM
Female body washes ashore in New England. A pregnant prostitute who worked
at the “Grass Skirt” a local tiki bar. Haven’t seen it yet, can’t wait to
get it. Anybody seen it? You have it, Bongo Fury?
SECRET FURY (1950) RKO
Only tiki connection here is an exterior where Claudette Colbert walks in
front of a “Tahitian” neon sign with bamboo. Similar to Jimmy Stewart
runs in front of the “Bamboo Room” in IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE
WHERE DANGER LIVES (1950) RKO
Robert Mitchum in a tiki bar called “Pogo Pete’s”
PETER GUNN (1958-61) NBC
TV film noir in episode titled “Scuba” a deep see diver has a cool tiki
bachelor pad

Here's a still of Jan Sterling in MYSTERY STREETS:

I now see one can get this film in the 10 Volume Film Noir Classic Collection DVD pack. Too much for me to buy, you Film Noir lovers buy it and report on the tikiness of this film, if you don't mind please.

Also please all, add or subtract to the list and by all means comment or question.
I have a question; how about CRIME AGAINST JOE or A KISS BEFORE DYING both with the Pogo Pogo club of Tucson Az. film noir?

Also in reference to earlier posts on this thread, the book “Hawaii in the Movies 1898-1957” was written by the late Robert Schmitt who was a founding member of the South Seas Cinema Society. This work of his as well as his later research on the subject formed a major contribution to our main movie list found on southseascinema.org. Thanks Bob you will be missed.


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savoy6
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Posted: 2013-03-13 2:04 pm   Permalink

one that i've seen only mentioned in passing here is "Out of The Past"..one of my favorite noirs..love the images of both LA and SF...as well as some of what lake tahoe looked like before development hit it....love kirk douglas's house on the lake...
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Posted: 2013-03-13 3:08 pm   Permalink

"A KISS BEFORE DYING" 1956, falls in the Noir category, but not a good one in my opinion
and more akin to a B-Movie version of Hitchcock
(it does have the pregnant girlfriend who falls victim to murder plot, as "A Place in the Sun" shares.

"CRIME AGAINST JOE" falls to conventional crime drama story wise, but due to the low budget has the
cinematography style of Noir.

Both films have the protagonists as WW2 veteran's, changed from their time in the war.

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ErkNoLikeFire
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Posted: 2013-03-15 12:05 pm   Permalink

A buddy of mine was talking about how Citizen Kane, while not a Noir film, introduced a lot of the techniques and styles found in Noir films that came after it. I haven't seen it in years and will grab a copy soon, but I was curious if this was a something others thought about Kane as well.
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Posted: 2013-03-15 3:13 pm   Permalink

Citizen Kane introduced completely new editing, cinematography & narrative techniques
that would influence movies up to today, which is one of the reasons it is considered a masterpiece.


 
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