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lucas vigor
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From: SOCAL
Posted: 2009-11-04 09:40 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2009-11-04 07:53, congatiki wrote:
Yes, I am like 60. My brother was listening to "Drums of Passion" when I was nine.

A few more thoughts after pondering this discussion while in the dentist chair
this morning.
You seem like a great person to discuss music with, very broad tastes, just a
little too quick to generalize unnecessarily

A final thought on Mickey Hart. You are right, he is not a spectacular drummer,
especially in the company he keeps. As for this discussion, I endorse Mickey Hart
as a great facilitator, bringing together world-class percussionists into a
tribal and exotic "stew" if you will. If people get beyond his "hippie" background
and get a chance to listen to Giovanni Hidalgo, Babatunda Olatunji, Zakir,
and the other percussionists involved in the project, then I believe it fits into the
experiences we call "tiki." No, it is not tiki music in the sense that
Les Baxter is, maybe not even in the sense that Jobim could be considered
lounge, but to some people it might fit into the mix.

Although I said earlier that I won't be rubbing elbows with you guys anytime
soon, I backtrack to add that I think it would be fun.

Don't toss me in the dumpster just cuz I seem to like "hippie" music. How
do you feel about Quicksilver Messenger Service and how it fits into
the tiki/exotica picture?



And no one is "thowing you in the dumpster". I just disagree with you as to what constitutes good tiki music. And by the way, I am disagreeing with no malice intended. As I have been typing, I have just been laughing my ass off at my own comments on this subject. Especially when I look at the picture of me as a hippy that I posted! My wife told me "oh my, you look so gross like that!"

(thank god!)


 
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-11-04 09:46 am   Permalink

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On 2009-11-04 07:53, congatiki wrote:
You seem like a great person to discuss music with, very broad tastes, just a
little too quick to generalize unnecessarily




I do have very wide tastes in music. The only types I can definitely say I don't like are most "hippy" music (including all the modern jam bands) 90's era hair metal (Poison, GNR, etc) and modern country (Like Shania Twain and other artists that don't really sound like country anymore).

Music I tolerate but don't particularly like would be modern rock, surf, punk, etc..) Though of course, there are exceptions to everything I just mentioned.

A good example is "we love tiki". Technically, it is one of the worst things I have ever heard. Amatueristic, simplistic, generic references to tiki....blah!!

Yet...I can't get the stinking song out of my head and I have been humming it since yesterday! That's something I just can't explain! If I hate it so much, why do I find it so catchy? I have played that damn clip about 30 times now!

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congatiki
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Posted: 2009-11-04 09:48 am   Permalink

I hope you realize I was asking that question in a feeble attempt at humor:-)
I did like Quicksilver a little more than the Dead, they at least had
one good song which was a cover of Bo Diddley's "Who Do You Love." And my
humble support of Mickey Hart...for clarification...is NOT the Mickey Hart
Band. I am referring to exclusively drum projects...no keyboard...no
guitars....just drums. Only drums...sorta like the Drums of Bora Bora...

How do you feel about beatnik music?


 
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congatiki
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From: wisconsin northwoods
Posted: 2009-11-04 10:08 am   Permalink

Actually Lucas, I think we are a lot closer in musical taste that it first
seemed, and since we have pretty much derailed this thread, I will briefly
continue.
While I listen to many different kinds of music, I keep things pretty well
defined in my tiki environment. 90 per cent classic exotica, cuz it helps preserve
the mood. The only exceptions that I will listen to in the "lounge" are
Coltrane's "Love Supreme", Miles' "Birth of the Cool", various
Babatunda Olatunji cds, and, oh yea, a little Mickey Hart, the Blasters (must
be an old hippie thing), and the first two Paul Butterfield Blues Band
albums. I am not supposing that Butterfield is tiki....I just like how it
makes me feel.
At the root of it all...I pretty much feel like a tiki purist too.


 
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-11-04 10:32 am   Permalink

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On 2009-11-04 09:48, congatiki wrote:
I hope you realize I was asking that question in a feeble attempt at humor:-)
I did like Quicksilver a little more than the Dead, they at least had
one good song which was a cover of Bo Diddley's "Who Do You Love." And my
humble support of Mickey Hart...for clarification...is NOT the Mickey Hart
Band. I am referring to exclusively drum projects...no keyboard...no
guitars....just drums. Only drums...sorta like the Drums of Bora Bora...

How do you feel about beatnik music?



To me, Beatnik music is hard to classify, as it could be everything from Bebop to very early folk (Like the new christie minstrels, etc).

Beatnik writes such as Kerouack wrote in a "jazz" style...their words, syntax, had a bit of "swing" to it.


 
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-11-04 10:32 am   Permalink



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congatiki
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From: wisconsin northwoods
Posted: 2009-11-04 10:45 am   Permalink

I agree, hard to classify, a lot of crappy novelty stuff. I do like
Lord Buckley for spoken word hippness. Musically...I guess I would sorta
consider Gerry Mulligan, Mingus, Charlie Parker, Sun Ra...as beatnik
or beat writer influenced. I dunno.

This is a nice diversion from my arguments with my co-workers over the last
eight weeks....Favre versus Packers. I was on the Favre side...sorta like
sticking up for hippie music
At least I was right on the football argument.


 
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-11-04 10:48 am   Permalink

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On 2009-11-04 10:45, congatiki wrote:
I agree, hard to classify, a lot of crappy novelty stuff. I do like
Lord Buckley for spoken word hippness. Musically...I guess I would sorta
consider Gerry Mulligan, Mingus, Charlie Parker, Sun Ra...as beatnik
or beat writer influenced. I dunno.

This is a nice diversion from my arguments with my co-workers over the last
eight weeks....Favre versus Packers. I was on the Favre side...sorta like
sticking up for hippie music
At least I was right on the football argument.



yeah, those musicians sound about right. I am also a huge fan of Butterfield blues band, and Charlie Musselwhite as well. And, Wayne Cochrane and the CC riders as well as Blood, sweat and tears....(a lot of those bands were the templates for the "blues Brothers").

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congatiki
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Posted: 2009-11-04 11:25 am   Permalink

Well this is turning out pretty well. I take back all of my rude comments,
and can agree with many of your points. I always bristle over the "hippie"
thing. I guess that's because I WAS a half-assed hippie....but I never
stunk and never inhaled...and always sat in real furniture. I can identify
with a few of your comments since I seem to recall a few girls who used the
hippie scent to smell clean. I have also known jazz buffs who could have used
a shower.


 
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-11-04 12:26 pm   Permalink

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On 2009-11-04 11:25, congatiki wrote:
Well this is turning out pretty well. I take back all of my rude comments,
and can agree with many of your points. I always bristle over the "hippie"
thing. I guess that's because I WAS a half-assed hippie....but I never
stunk and never inhaled...and always sat in real furniture. I can identify
with a few of your comments since I seem to recall a few girls who used the
hippie scent to smell clean. I have also known jazz buffs who could have used
a shower.




The "what is Tiki" arguments have always and always be a part of this forum. There really is not one established "right" answer, but I tend to support the vision and explanation of people like Sven (Bigbrotiki) who look at tiki as a uniquely mid-century phenonenum.

If you want to have some real fun, go over to the martial arts talk forums and check out the "MMA vs. TMA" threads. (Modern mixed martial arts VS. Traditional martial arts)...oh man, the name calling, death threats...it gets so intense at time that they have what is known as "meet-ups" which are essentially challenge matches..and of course the results are posted on youtube.

We should have tiki meet-ups where people throw their favorite mugs at each other. Of course, I would lose as I only own three paltry mugs and my Squid pendant (which I will always treasure and would not throw at anyone).


 
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congatiki
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From: wisconsin northwoods
Posted: 2009-11-04 12:59 pm   Permalink

I would get killed in a mug-battle too....I just have a few....thanks to
Benzart and Hodad Hank. This "Mickey Hart" thread will probably get a lot
less looking..... now that it seems us old hippies don't have to send
Squeaky Fromme after you and Boris.

I still like the idea of a thread titled "Questionable Tiki Lounge Music
That Vigor Hates!"


 
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-11-04 1:33 pm   Permalink

Well, we got 780 views out of it!!

 
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congatiki
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From: wisconsin northwoods
Posted: 2009-11-04 1:39 pm   Permalink

Yea we generated a lot of views....for a few passionate music peeps spilling their
guts....I think I've posted more in the past two days than in the previous 6 months.
I probably should get back over to the carving thread where I belong. Its a good
thing that Hanford kept his distance and let us fight it out

And for the record....I don't think Mickey Hart is the new Buffett...like I
saw posted on "shout." I think it is fun to toss out a few ideas to see what
people think...but I am respectful of the general concept behind "tiki music"
and why we have a place to discuss it.



 
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Bora Boris
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Posted: 2009-11-04 1:41 pm   Permalink

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On 2009-11-04 12:59, congatiki wrote:
.. now that it seems us old hippies don't have to send Squeaky Fromme after you and Boris.



BRING IT ON!! I like my chances against a Zombie Hippie Lady.

I'm not exactly thrilled that this is ending peacefully but I do see myself saying to Lucas next time I see him "That Congatiki guy is alright."
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congatiki
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From: wisconsin northwoods
Posted: 2009-11-04 1:50 pm   Permalink

Hey Boris....I thought you left this hellhole behind
Golldammit...that Congatiki is alright and if I ever wind up at one of those
swanky west coast tiki parties I'm gonna look you guys up and bend some
elbows. And since we're all so doggone good at disagreement....we should
probably try this again sometime....but over in bilge huh?

And by the way...one of my favorite non-tiki bands...The Blasters...will be
in Chicago on the 13th and 14th....anybody gonna be there? I'll be there with
one of my djembe-banging buddies and we will have a great time.

p.s.
Or...we could slip up to "tiki food and drink" and start a food fight...
are tacos tiki?

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