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Trader Vic's, Honolulu, HI, (restaurant)
Dustycajun
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Posted: 2009-12-14 12:13 pm   Permalink

Name:Trader Vic's
Type:restaurant
Street:926 Ward Avenue
City: Honolulu
State: HI
Zip:
country:USA
Phone:
Status:Defunct

Description:

The first Trader Vic's to open in Hawaii was located at 926 Ward Avenue in Honolulu. It opened in the early 1950's and moved to the International Marketplace after 1967.

The building had an amazingly lush Hawaiian feel to it.

Here is a postcard from my collection.



A close up of the tiki out front.



Some old photos from the internet.





You can see the giant ships anchor that was featured on this menu from my collection.



Some matchbooks









And a coaster from Mimi Payne's website.



Have never seen an image from the inside of this Trader Vic's.

DC



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Swanky
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Posted: 2009-12-14 1:00 pm   Permalink

That's cool to know that anchor came from the location. It is a little bit of an oddity in TV iconography, as are several Hawaii items.

 
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Dustycajun
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Posted: 2009-12-14 2:43 pm   Permalink

Swanky,

That is why I always liked this Trader Vic's - it is different than the others.

This postcard has been attributed to both the Trader Vic's at Ward Drive and the Trader Vic's at the International Marketplace. I think that Phillip Robert's notes from his uncle indicate the IMP location.



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TabooDan
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Posted: 2009-12-14 9:33 pm   Permalink

I don't know how it came all about, but wasn't this Trader Vic's actually not a Trader Vic's?? I mean, I had heard that Trader Vic actually had nothing to do with this location. Now I don't know if that was the whole time or just in the beginning or what.
I thought I heard/read that in the beginning of this particular location, Trader Vic himself pulled out or didn't want to go through with the restaurant but I believe it was too late for him to take his name with him and therefore the "others" running it had the right to keep his name or something along those lines.
Why change the name if you don't have to and Trader Vic's was already established and a very successful restaurant.

This is maybe why you see different items from this location only. You also see specifically made Trader Vic Hawaii mugs for this location only and a different menu.
Hey....coming to think of it, sure there are the Trader Vic matchbooks like Dusty posted above, but have you ever seen the common black ones with the mask and paddle logo from this location like there were from every other location???!!!

Oh, and one other interesting point is that I have a Trader Vic menu from the Westin Bayshore Hotel that for some reason on every page has "We are not affiliated with Trader Vic's Hawaii". It is also not on Trader Vic's website as stating that it was a location or when it opened.

Not sure of all this but just throwing it out there. Maybe someone else can shed some light. I for one would like to know.
Mahalo, TabooDan


 
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Dustycajun
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Posted: 2009-12-16 5:01 pm   Permalink

Taboo Dan,

Those are some astute comments. I have this drink menu mailer that indicates that the original Trader Vic's in Hawaii was owned by Granny Abbott and Fred Mosher.





I also have an old Wine List menu that is made of a thin balsa wood type of material. It looks like the font graphics and the building style changed for the Hawaii location from the old look of Hinky Dinks on the early Trader Vic's matchbooks.



Interestingly though, this matchbook has both the Oakland and Honolulu locations listed on it. A mystery.




I saw this Trading License from the Hawaii Trader Vic's on Tiki Gallery that was dated October 1946 so this was one of the earliest Trader Vic's even though it does not appear to be affiliated.



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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2009-12-16 6:14 pm   Permalink

As far as I know, it was opened as an early franchise, but Victor Bergeron was unhappy with the deal, and an agreement was reached that the owners got the rights for the name in the islands, and Vic kept his to his operations on the mainland.

I'd be curious when the Honululu Vic's moved to the International Marketplace, and when Spencecliff took it over. There seem to be very few pictures of the exteriors or interiors of both.


 
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Mo-Eye
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Posted: 2009-12-16 6:30 pm   Permalink

I have a book called "The Companies We Keep", which is a history of Hawaiian companies. It states that this Hawaii location opened in December 1940. Four months later, he sold his interest to the co-owner, Granville Abbott. Spencecliff then bought the franchise in 1967, but it doesn't give any info on when it moved to the International Market.

Regarding the fact that they had different mugs and such, I always assumed that was just because of the location of Hawaii. Much cheaper to have mugs made here then to have them shipped in???

Does anyone know what occupied the International Market Trader Vic's space before them, or was that building built for Vic's and they were the first tenant? I've photos of interior space of tiki bars that I know were in the Market, but now sure if they are Trader Vic's, Duke Kahanamoku's, or Don Ho's. I'll have to dig them out.
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Dustycajun
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Posted: 2009-12-16 6:39 pm   Permalink

Thanks for that info MoEye. Come to think of it, I don't think that I have ever seen a photo of the inside or outside of the TV at the IMP.
Here is a rendering from a matchbook on Mimi's website.



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TabooDan
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Posted: 2009-12-21 5:22 pm   Permalink

Dustycajun wrote:

"Taboo Dan,
Those are some astute comments. I have this drink menu mailer that indicates that the original Trader Vic's in Hawaii was owned by Granny Abbott and Fred Mosher."

Geez Dustycajun, I had to look up that word for the definition. I didn't know if I was wrong right or way out to left field

Mo-Eye Wrote:

"Regarding the fact that they had different mugs and such, I always assumed that was just because of the location of Hawaii. Much cheaper to have mugs made here then to have them shipped in???"

I don't think so Mo-eye. Well, I shouldn't say that as this would probably have been true, but I have not heard or seen of a single location of an ACTUAL Trader Vic's using mugs that didn't come from their regular Vic's suppliers. Most commonly being in Japan.
Now I am not talking about lately, just back in the day. Trader Vic's did use different suppliers like Tepco, Morgantown, and Redwing Potteries but these mugs were available at different locations at once. I have never seen one marked specifically from one location as you do the Trader Vic Hawaii ones. Anyone else?

I just think because it wasn't a Trader Vic's in the usual way (with him running it) that this is why these mugs were created along with the different looking drink menu. This location was just doing what alot of other Hawaiian Restaurants were doing on the Islands. Having local manufacturers didn't hurt that's for sure!


Trader Vic mentions, very briefly, the Hawaii Trader Vic's in this interview from San Francisco in 1970:

"I originated the Mai Tai and have put together a bit of the background on the evolution of this drink, which has earned worldwide identification and acceptance. There has been a lot of conversation over the beginning of this drink. Many have claimed credit, including Harry Owens. The people who now own Trader Vic's in Honolulu, which at this time has no connection with the Trader Vic operations on the mainland, claimed it was originated in Tahiti .... This aggravates my ulcer completely. The drink was never introduced by me in Tahiti except informally through our good friends, Eastham and Carrie Guild."

Okay enough rambling. How about we get some interior Trader Vic Hawaii shots on here! Somebody has got to have some hidden away??!!

TabooDan



 
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TabooDan
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Posted: 2009-12-21 5:23 pm   Permalink

Here is a different match case from the Ward Avenue location:



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Phillip Roberts
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Posted: 2009-12-21 10:01 pm   Permalink



Trader Vic's Waikiki 1976.



Doors at the International Market Place led to the closed Trader Vic's!

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Dustycajun
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Posted: 2010-01-18 6:00 pm   Permalink

This rare mug from the Trader Vic's in Hawaii sold recently on ebay for some serious $$$$. Don't think I have seen this one before.










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TabooDan
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Posted: 2010-02-23 7:03 pm   Permalink

I was wondering if there should be two locations on here for this particular Trader Vic's? One for Ward Ave and the other for the International Market Place. What do you think?

The buildings, decor and environment were very different. Although it was the same restaurant that moved in the late 1960's. It was only about a 3 mile move which is under 10 minutes to get from the old spot to the new.

It sure would be interesting to get some real answers about these locations.
I think it would also be interesting to note if they closed the location on Ward Avenue while building the new one at the Market Place or if they kept it operating at the same time. Did they move all the decor or just some and if not, do we know where any of it ended up? The Ward Ave location opened so early that there really aren't enough people that probably remember or care for that matter.

Now regarding the opening of this location, in my menu that I had talked about earlier in this post from the Vancouver Trader Vic's, throughout the menu it states that they are not affiliated to Trader Vic's in Honolulu which we have already established.

In the menu, it actually states:

"In 1939 Trader Vic opened in Honolulu but sold his interest in 1941. The name remains there but TRADER VIC'S is not associated in any way with the Waikiki restaurant bearing that name."

Pretty direct comments I thought. They sure make a point in this particular menu to let everyone know this. Almost every second page of the menu says they are not affiliated. This particular menu is dated 1978.

Since the first location did open in 1940 or so, the new location at the Market Place opening some 25-28 years later was probably much needed to get a newer, bigger and better establishment going. It was also now apart of one of the largest tourist draws to the area. A good move for business!!

Here is a old Ad from 1962 for the location on Ward Ave:



Mahalo, TabooDan


 
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Sabu The Coconut Boy
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Posted: 2010-02-23 9:25 pm   Permalink

Dan - I agree. We should kick off another thread for the later Honolulu Vic's. There's so much material - what with all those custom mugs unique to its location - it deserves its own thread.


 
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bongofury
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Posted: 2010-02-24 8:50 pm   Permalink

Most of the movie Forbidden Island was shot at Silver Springs in Florida. According to Martin Denny who played "Marty" the piano player in a bar in the Phillipines, all his shots were done inside Trader Vics Honolulu. The movie was released in 1959 so it was the original location. Check out the cocktail glass sitting on Marty's piano. There is about 5-7 minutes shot in the bar. I will need to dig out the movie to see if i can do some screen grabs. I remember seeing some fogcutter mugs on a shelf behind the bar




 
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