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Kamuualii - The Amazing Pre-Tiki Tiki of The Royal Hawaiian Hotel
martian-tiki
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Posted: 2013-12-31 10:56 pm   Permalink

what is the story of its senseless destruction

 
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Phillip Roberts
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Posted: 2014-01-01 12:28 am   Permalink

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On 2013-12-31 22:56, martian-tiki wrote:
what is the story of its senseless destruction



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By 2008, the statue was un-covered by the groundskeepers and I took great pride in showing it and shooting it with visitors. In 2009, I heard about the renovation of the hotel and wondered if it would survive. It did not.



I DO have a story (heard second hand from an employee who was a witness at the time) about this event to share sometime in the future...




OK, I guess the future is now. I'm still reeling from the loss of the International Market Place. Well, the story I heard second hand went like this...

A day after the hotel reopened in 2010, I went to confirm that it was indeed gone. It was and all that remained was the stump and a foot. There were concrete shards everywhere. I started asking questions of the employees. Most, refused to provide any details. After all, they were still employed. One of the shop ladies told me to ask one of the maintanence workers. He passed me on to one of the grounds keeping crew. Finally, I started talking to one of the construction workers clearing some rubble on the other part of the property.

He told me he'd been there and was witness. The management had ordered the statue removed. They had always considered it an eyesore. The local workers on site refused to touch the statue, afraid of any bad luck that might be associated with it. Days passed and the statue still stood until the day before the grand opening. The powers that be were furious and issued a direct order that it be removed. Finally, a foreman from the construction company declared he was not afraid, wrecked it with a backhoe, and carted the remains to the dumpster.

Kinda what you expected, huh?

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msteeln
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Posted: 2014-01-01 10:12 am   Permalink

While being no fan of senseless destruction of anything worthy, let me again put my head on the tiki chopping block and say we/it were unbelievably lucky that it remained in position and condition as long as it did. Really, what else were they to do with something that didn't fit in at all with the changing surroundings, looking way out of place if not in fact ugly with little to no purpose? That it was allowed to ever exist is surprising as it was about the least attractive tiki-esque figure ever seen, but those were different times/attitudes and the figure got away with being there infinitely longer than most truly good things that got the premature axe. Maybe it would have been nice if they would have merely moved it or saved it for whomever wanted it, or put it on ebay, but that just doesn't happen much in our world now. Be glad it lived to an old age, especially in tiki years, and that we have plenty of pictorial documentation.
But I do love that the hotel workers were not going to touch it, now THAT'S priceless!
Thanx for the research and update, Phillip. I hope we can respectfully bury this poor guy's spirit once and for all without too much sadness.


 
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Dustycajun
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Posted: 2014-01-01 10:17 am   Permalink

Thanks for the update. I would think that it could have been saved and moved to a museum or a private estate with just a few phone calls and free shipping. The dumpster bit is really sad.

DC


 
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2014-01-01 11:20 am   Permalink

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The local workers on site refused to touch the statue, afraid of any bad luck that might be associated with it. Days passed and the statue still stood until the day before the grand opening. The powers that be were furious and issued a direct order that it be removed. Finally, a foreman from the construction company declared he was not afraid, wrecked it with a backhoe, and carted the remains to the dumpster.





Apparently that foreman never watched the Brady Bunch! Deeedleleedleleee!


 
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martian-tiki
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Posted: 2014-01-01 8:55 pm   Permalink



ultimately the same sort of thing - albeit at different scales in multiple senses


 
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msteeln
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Posted: 2014-05-27 6:06 pm   Permalink

Look's like our pal's brother was hanging out at The Moana...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-1942-large-wooden-carved-TIKI-at-Moana-Hotel-Hawaii-Photo-/390831579300?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5aff60a0a4


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Phillip Roberts
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Posted: 2014-05-27 6:45 pm   Permalink

Nope. That's just a mislabeled auction. That building in the back is the Royal Hawaiian, btw.
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christiki295
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Posted: 2014-05-28 07:51 am   Permalink

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[i]On 2014-01-01 00:28, Phillip Roberts wrote:
A day after the hotel reopened in 2010, I went to confirm that it was indeed gone. It was and all that remained was the stump and a foot.



Mahalo for pointing out that bit of "Waikiki Tiki: Art, History" while it was still there.


 
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Dustycajun
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Posted: 2014-12-09 12:22 pm   Permalink

A few more photos of our Tiki from ebay.







A favorite with the servicemen.

DC


 
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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2014-12-09 1:06 pm   Permalink

Large, free-standing Tiki statues were always a welcome photo op for tourists and restaurant visitors back in the day.
Thanks to the internet, these snapshots sometimes pop up and provide proof of otherwise lost artifacts.


 
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Dustycajun
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Posted: 26 days ago; 8:48 pm   Permalink

Sailors loved that Tiki!







DC


 
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EnchantedTikiGoth
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Posted: 24 days ago; 4:32 pm   Permalink

Cool thread... I'm both getting into Twenties/Thirties pretiki a bit (just ordered 1939's Honolulu and 1942's Ship Ahoy off Amazon) and looking into a possible trip to Hawaii for next year, which would be our first time. This thread got me looking up the Royal Hawaiian and its heyday... We've been advised against going to Oahu by friends, but if we do stop there I think I know where we might try staying...

 
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AceExplorer
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Posted: 24 days ago; 8:15 pm   Permalink

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On 2015-06-12 16:32, EnchantedTikiGoth wrote:
We've been advised against going to Oahu by friends, but if we do stop there I think I know where we might try staying...



ETG, don't let your friends discourage you from going to Oahu. Yes, it's very developed, and "touristy," but mostly only in the confines of Honolulu. I always find many good things to see and do there -- it is a whole island, and not just the bustling city of Honolulu with its tourist traps, so keep that in mind. Some examples of things worth seeing/doing:

- On your first trip, enjoy some of the "tourist trap" things like Waikiki. Tourists go there because they have fun, and you will too. Just don't make your entire trip itinerary tourist things. More details below.
- Cocktail-wise, there are some amazing bartenders/mixologists along the Waikiki beachfront. It's mostly non-tiki, but it is tropical and there are cutting-edge drinks to be found and enjoyed. I had several "aha" moments in some of the hotel bars on the waterfront.
- There is a lot of history to see on Oahu. About 1 or 2 miles from the Dole Pineapple Plantation (HUGE Dole Whips to be had there, in carved-out pineapples, share with your friends, YUM!) you will find the birthing place of Hawaiian royalty. This is a very special site, and it's free, and it is REAL Hawaii.
- Great gardens, museums, beaches. The Bishop Museum in Honolulu is a must-see for anyone interested in seeing real Polynesian history and culture. Beautiful carved tikis, and a lot of other stuff, in a very elegant museum. World-class beaches at Waikiki (touristy, but gorgeous) and about 10-15 miles drive from Honolulu around the point is one of the top beaches in the world which is very non-touristy and mostly locals. And there are many gardens/parks with great things to see.

I could go on and on. The other islands are very nice as well, with much to see, and you can't do it in one trip. For your first trip to Hawaii, don't avoid Oahu. It's everything you've seen and heard, both good and bad. Just read guidebooks, make your own decisions, and really be careful with advice you get from friends. There's a fair amount of Oahu-bashing out there, don't let it cloud your own judgment, go where YOU want to go. You can't see it all on one trip, and you will likely make plans to come back multiple times to see new and different islands.

Hope you go soon, and enjoy your trip! I usually go in the fall, before the real rainy season picks up, because if I will be driving any dirt roads, they are most passable at the end of the dry season. I have a history of being very hard on rental cars in Hawaii, hahaha... Some of the very cool places may involve some dirt roads.


 
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EnchantedTikiGoth
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Posted: 23 days ago; 08:35 am   Permalink

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I could go on and on. The other islands are very nice as well, with much to see, and you can't do it in one trip. For your first trip to Hawaii, don't avoid Oahu. It's everything you've seen and heard, both good and bad. Just read guidebooks, make your own decisions, and really be careful with advice you get from friends. There's a fair amount of Oahu-bashing out there, don't let it cloud your own judgment, go where YOU want to go. You can't see it all on one trip, and you will likely make plans to come back multiple times to see new and different islands.

Hope you go soon, and enjoy your trip! I usually go in the fall, before the real rainy season picks up, because if I will be driving any dirt roads, they are most passable at the end of the dry season. I have a history of being very hard on rental cars in Hawaii, hahaha... Some of the very cool places may involve some dirt roads.



Thanks for the advice! Most recommendations we've been getting are for the Big Island because of its variety and relatively rural character, there seem to be some halfways decent travel deals for Kona for Novembers, and that's where the active volcanoes are. Plus we're definitely more the nature and cultural history traveler types than resort-goers. Because we're hoping to do the Grand Canyon/Zion/Bryce Canyon/Petrified Forest/Route 66/Las Vegas loop in a couple years, we're trying to keep trips on the cheap for the next while (this year we're driving down to Yellowstone, via Great Falls and the Sip n' Dip). There are just so many places to go in the world!! >_<

Back on topic, The more I see of the Royal Hawaiian, the more I'm loving it! Photos even got an "awww!" out of my wife, who is very into the Twenties right now To be honest, being into an expression of pop culture that peaked in the Sixties is pretty current for us I see photos like these and think that this is when we should have gone...






 
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