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Final Goodbye to Kona Lanes~Costa Mesa, CA
Luckydesigns
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Posted: 2009-01-09 08:04 am   Permalink

Points taken, Shaker. Actually what happened with bowling alley is the lease came up on the land and SUPER rich Segerstrom family (they own most of Costa Mesa, including the South Coast Plaza) decided that they could make more money by putting up a Kohls on that site. They already had knocked down an ice skating rink and a movie theatre in the direct vicinity in order to put up an Ace hardware and a car dealership....

So yeah, the bowling alley wasn't doing that well, but the owners we're willing to take out a loan, clean the place up, and modernize the scoring system and stuff. Bring people back in. I remember it always being busy on the weekends...

So, the Kohls couldn't be built because of the lack of parking. They figured this out AFTER the bowling ally was knocked down... The whole sitation was pretty messed up, all because a family of 'hundred millionaires' were looking for more money rather considering the good of the people who exist on their land (just about all of Costa Mesa).

....and speaking of Wallgreens, it looks like the former site of the Tower records in Costa Mesa is going to be turned into a Wallgreens... The building itself is not a fantastic building by any means, but the historical context is pretty interesting. It was the first air conditioned, smooth floor, roller skating rink in Costa Mesa. Built in 1950, before Costa Mesa had become incorporated as a city. It's a good quick read too:
http://www.dailypilot.com/articles/2008/04/06/features/dpt-goodolddays040608.txt

But at least we get a Wallgreen's in it's place... ugh.... Well, with economy going how it is, maybe not...well see...

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Posted: 2009-01-09 09:26 am   Permalink

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On 2009-01-09 00:15, Tiki Shaker wrote:

As for Eichler, of course the homes are gorgeous. Unfortunately the rest of the world preferred poorly designed garbage. Otherwise things wouldn't look the way they do. Yes, I know his homes are as popular now than ever before... but they are popular to only a select few. Ask the average person on the street.. they would laugh at it or mock it as being something their grandparents had. You have to remember, our taste is the minority. Most people do not have our taste.



Who says ? I don't think the world prefers poorly designed garbage. I think that people see what's in front of them, and think that's their only option.


[quote]On 2009-01-09 00:15, Tiki Shaker wrote: I totally agree that most things now suck. It's just that I don't know how anyone is supposed to be able to afford to do what use to be done. How could any business person trying to make a living afford to have that kind of amazing signage or architecture created today? Like I said.... I wish it all looked amazing. I just feel that it is inevitable that things are going to be cookie cutter. It costs too much for it not be. I don't like it, sure... but how is it going to change? I agree that we should encourage the people who are lucky enough to own some of this amazing stuff to preserve it. I fully support that and encourage it. [quote]

You know, Eichler, Fickett, and Cliff May were cookie cutter homes too....but the designs of those homes were based on some really sound principles...alot of which were inspired by Frank Lloyd Wright. Those developers just found a way to make it more affordable.

[quote]On 2009-01-09 00:15, Tiki Shaker wrote:That's why I think the owners of these properties should be educated by people like us and encouraged to respect what they have. Even if the business is failing, they need to learn how to change their business and at least reuse the property and try and keep the flavor of what was originally intended. It's awesome when a business can reuse a space. Like when a restaurant moves into and old bank and keeps the old mosaic tile and reuses the counters. It's awesome when a person finds a 40's gas station and turns it into an art gallery. It's all about us encouraging and motivating these property owners. As tragic as the loss of Kona Lanes is... there is at least that small glimmer knowing that it sounds like the city council has admitted that they made a mistake. Hopefully that will encourage them to take a second look the next time something is slated to be torn down. [quote]

Ironically enough, education is what caused the demise of the beautiful Hollywood Star Lanes, which was taken by eminent domain - The City Of Los Angeles forced the owners to sell them the property at market value to put up a school. Developers, for the most part don't want to be educated, and they certainly hate historical preservation laws...it keeps them from making top dollar from their properties due to things being deemed "historical" by the city.

[quote]On 2009-01-09 00:15, Tiki Shaker wrote:The intended point of my comments in my earlier post was me trying to state that we have to at least try and understand it from these peoples perspectives. We don't have to agree with it, but we have to look at it from their point of view. Once we understand why they think they way they think, then we can hopefully come up with a way that will benefit them AND us. [quote]

Believe, I DO get it, money speaks very loudly, and I'm not trying to attack you in any way, just to be clear. I know you and I are on the same side. I just think trying to see the side of people who want to destroy our historical sites to make more money isn't something I can get with

[quote]On 2009-01-09 00:15, Tiki Shaker wrote:I admit, I know nothing about what happened at Kona Lanes. For all I know, the bowling alley was losing money, it was infested with asbestos, it would cost millions to clean up, they were afraid of lawsuits, someone gave them the bright idea to tear it down and build something that made them money. That ended up not working about, but it is costing them less to pay taxes on a vacant lot than what was going on before.

Yes, what I just wrote was made up, but things like this do happen. Would that be greed for them to do that? Is it bad that they wouldn't want to lose money?

Sooo many bowling alleys have shut down. Why? They don't make money. If the business plan no longer works, they should be encouraged to preserve the signage and hopefully reuse the building. Someone like us should show them what could be done with it. [quote]

There are definitely cases where things like you describe here are the case, I agree. But, as Lucky Designs described, the case of KONA lanes doesn't fit into that scenario. It just needed a little TLC....that was a case of greed from a VERY wealty family.
Also, How does a bowling Alley NOT make money ? Every one I see is packed, almost all the time. I can never get a lane at Pickwick in Burbank,, or Mar Vista Bowl...there is always a wait.

[quote]On 2009-01-09 00:15, Tiki Shaker wrote:What we need to do is let current owners know why we like them, Tell an owner that you frequent their establishment because of the design. Encourage others to do the same. I have stopped at so many random places just because I saw a kick ass sign. There have been plenty of times when I stopped at some highway dive and have had the person behind the counter ask "first time here?" My response is "yep, i stopped cuz your neon sign was so damn cool." People have to learn why people like us support their establishments.[quote]

You prove my point. If more businesses had more attention grabbing, creative signage, they may have more sustainability in the marketplace. But the problem is alot of the time, not with the business owner, but town ordinances, which have become very strict on sign restrictions. Most city ordinances will not allow a big sign, with odd 3-D shapes that are over 40 feet in the air. I'm guessing that most business owners would LOVE a nice big sign beaconing potential customers into their establishments...they're just not allowed to have it. And in the case of a strip mall l, if there is a major chain in there as a retail anchor, you can bet that they don't want, say, Tony's Pizzeria having a bigger, cooler sign that them, so I'm willing to bet they seek to get these kinds of restrictions and standards in place as part of their lease agreement, if they don't own the property themselves.

[quote]On 2009-01-09 00:15, Tiki Shaker wrote:I've stopped and taken pictures of tiki apartment buildings. I have had managers ask what I was doing. I'd tell them I thought the place looked amazing and i wanted to document it. I told them so many have been lost, I was worried that perhaps their building was going to be next. [quote]

That's awesome...documentation is all we can do at the end of the day.

[quote]On 2009-01-09 00:15, Tiki Shaker wrote:Tikiyaki, when you posted that horrible generic sign with the current businesses and compare them to the old signage, it obviously shows your point.. which I totally agree with. Obviously it doesn't compare. But now look at each business. Imagine how much it would cost to create amazing signage for each one? Sure.. who needs another McD's or Starbucks or Kinkos? Well, obviously the public does.. otherwise it wouldn't be built. This is SoCal... we want to cram people in here like a New York, but we expect one business... like a bowling alley to take up as much space as it does? We wont' build vertical here.. how do we cope? Unfortunately it's those damn strip malls.. I know. What is the solution? Besides trying to reuse older buildings?.. I don't know.[quote]

Personally, I need another Starbucks . Starbucks is one chain that I think is community minded, and a little creative in design. McDonald's...all unhealthiness aside, DOES still build some of their old designs. They understand that they are a big part of "Americana" as we know it, so sometimes you see the vintage McDonalds building, and it makes me think that they are not all that bad.
With bowling alleys...they NEED that much space to have a bowling business...Lanes are 60 feet long, and all that machinery...it takes alot of space, and they provide a great community service in that it is a family activity, kids, adults, teens, everyone can bowl.


At the end of the day, all of my complaining doesn't do anything, but TC is a place for preservationist spirit, so there ya go.
It's just my opinion that architecture has gotten VERY BORING...I know you agree. I just think that bottom line thinking is a big reason why. I know there are great architects out there designing cool buildings...just look in a place like Venice. There are some really nice homes being built there. I just think developers are not interested in "interesting", just "cost effectiveness and maximum profit.

Anyway. Jeff, did you take those pics of Linbrook bowl ? What great shots.



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Tiki Shaker
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Posted: 2009-01-09 11:45 am   Permalink

I guess my experiences have been different when it comes to the average persons opinions when it comes to design. Sure, when I lived in LA a lot more people got it. A lot more people knew what good design was... but once you get beyond that... and go inland, it's a hard sell.

As for the Hollywood Star Lanes.. I miss it greatly. I use to bowl there about once a week. I even started every game with one of their poorly made White Russians (hey, the Dude abides).

I wish the school district could have been convinced to take land from someone who owned an ugly vacant building. But no... another one bites the dust.


 
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Jason Wickedly
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Posted: 2009-01-09 4:56 pm   Permalink

Yesterday I had to drive our to Diamond Bar to pick up some stuff at my company's warehouse. The freeways back to Long Beach were a mess, and I was on company time , so I ended up coming back Valley Blvd all the way up to Rosemead Blvd, and then Rosemead back, about a 90 minute drive though the cities of Industry, El Monte, Rosemead, Pico Rivera, and Downey. There is still a lot of Googie and Mid-Century out there, in these little cities that time has forgotten. I wished so bad that I had my camera with me to take pictures of some of the signs and buildings along the way. Take pictures people...if it looks cool to you, it looks like a site for a future Coffee Bean/Bed Bath and Beyond/Jamba Juice to a developer and like an eyesore to the local city councils.
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tikiyaki
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Posted: 2009-01-09 4:57 pm   Permalink

I too bowled at Star lanes every week...on Sunday Nights.

True, They could have put that damn school ANYWHERE. That was a real travesty.

I wonder if the sign and all the big star lights got saved.



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tikiyaki
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From: The Exotic Port of REDONDO BEACH, CA
Posted: 2009-01-09 5:06 pm   Permalink

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On 2009-01-09 16:56, Jason Wickedly wrote:
Yesterday I had to drive our to Diamond Bar to pick up some stuff at my company's warehouse. The freeways back to Long Beach were a mess, and I was on company time , so I ended up coming back Valley Blvd all the way up to Rosemead Blvd, and then Rosemead back, about a 90 minute drive though the cities of Industry, El Monte, Rosemead, Pico Rivera, and Downey. There is still a lot of Googie and Mid-Century out there, in these little cities that time has forgotten. I wished so bad that I had my camera with me to take pictures of some of the signs and buildings along the way. Take pictures people...if it looks cool to you, it looks like a site for a future Coffee Bean/Bed Bath and Beyond/Jamba Juice to a developer and like an eyesore to the local city councils.




Indeed, there alot of great MCM places in El Monte, and all those surrounding San Gabriel Valley towns, like Alhambra, Monterey Park etc.

There very ethnic neighborhoods, either Asian or Latino, on the lower side of the income scale, so they might not get wiped out too quickly, as those neighborhoods don't have alot of money to spend on those dreaded "revitalization" plans.

One neighborhood that embraces it's MCM character is SilverLake. Neutra has his own street there, and some of his students built houses in the area. Really nice stuff.



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Posted: 2009-01-09 7:31 pm   Permalink

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On 2009-01-08 17:31, tikiyaki wrote:

Let's take signage.





I live a road's width away from this bowling alley. Love the sign and the bowling alley is always packed.

One of the first pictures I ever posted on TC (now to small in see in the original posting)


Change it to a Kon-Tiki sign. Would probably be cooler

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Bora Boris
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Posted: 2009-01-11 4:14 pm   Permalink

Now if everyone is done grandstanding here's a nice and ugly 1970's Yellow Pages listing ~




 
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Posted: 2009-01-12 11:22 am   Permalink

Unfortunately, the really cool Anaheim Googie bowling alley, Anaheim Bowl (which was on Lincoln just west of the 5, and had that big sculpture at the entrance that looked like something from the 1964 NY World's Fair) got torn down just a couple of years ago (like a lot of these places).

It seems like the new "hipster" idea of bowling alleys are the Lucky Strike lanes, which are stuck inside "happening" malls (like Hollywood & Highland or the Block of Orange) with no stylistic building structure other than a "retro" neon sign.


 
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tikiyaki
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Posted: 2009-01-12 11:33 am   Permalink

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On 2009-01-12 11:22, congawa wrote:
Unfortunately, the really cool Anaheim Googie bowling alley, Anaheim Bowl (which was on Lincoln just west of the 5, and had that big sculpture at the entrance that looked like something from the 1964 NY World's Fair) got torn down just a couple of years ago (like a lot of these places).

It seems like the new "hipster" idea of bowling alleys are the Lucky Strike lanes, which are stuck inside "happening" malls (like Hollywood & Highland or the Block of Orange) with no stylistic building structure other than a "retro" neon sign.



God, I know. I just saw that my childhood bowling alley in Long Island is now a "300", which is the same as Lucky Strike. Gourmet Restaurant food, swanky bar, Britney Spears light show style lighting, and $7 a game bowling, all packaged on a "city nightlife" style website, with, young models wearing CK and DKNY.

http://www.3hundred.com/

Nothing is sacred

Bowling as "upscale"...Ralph and Norton are rolling over in their brooklyn graves.

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Posted: 2009-04-17 11:17 am   Permalink

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How about the Willow Grove Lanes in Willow Grove, Pennsylvania?:





I use to bowl here as a kid, now it's the Willow Grove Park Mall This picture brings back many memories.

My first visit to TC and I find pictures of one of my favorite places while growing up.

This place could grow on me

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Posted: 2009-04-17 11:56 am   Permalink

I love the Willow Grove Bowl above...

...but I will NEVER forgive the destruction of Willow Grove Park in 1977

Long live the memory of the 1896 SCENIC, the 1905 ALPS and the 1928 THUNDERBOLT wooden roller coasters - beautiful architecture that you could RIDE..
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Posted: 2009-04-17 2:32 pm   Permalink

I know this is a Kona Lanes topic but you have opened an old wound of the coveted Java Lanes!

http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=2077&forum=1&hilite=java%20lanes

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Posted: 2009-04-19 1:06 pm   Permalink

My hubby was born in Costa Mesa..okay well, Hoag in Newport, in 1957, and has lived here his whole life. He spent YEARS in Kona Lanes, from the age of 7 up to the time it was razed. We have one of the alley pins, and one of the original bricks from the building, which I snagged for him as mementos. One of our friends bought a lane (Lane 17 to be exact) and it is now his prized kitchen countertop. So every now and then, we at least get to "visit" a visage from our past. Our courtship began at Kona, and when we met, he was bowling on two leagues; a FEDCO league (there's another blast from the past that no longer exists!) and a scratch league, every Wednesday (FEDCO was closed on Wednesday, so it was the only night employees could bowl) and Friday night. We "grew up" at Kona Lanes, and decades later, took our kids there.

When the Segerstroms decided to tear it down, we remember and were part of the "Home Ranch" outcry. Unfortunately, it landed on deaf ears. I recall having heard that the Segerstroms were "promising" that as a "good faith" effort at outreach, they would build a community center in another location on one of their soybean fields to replace Kona Lanes and Ice Capades Chalet. This, so that the community wouldn't feel such a loss. Years went by, and land was instead donated to the school district in Santa Ana and a new school was built on it and named Segerstrom High. But nothing for Costa Mesa. So we lose our beloved Kona Lanes with the promise of "something reciprocal" and get nothing in return.

Luckydesigns mentions "They already had knocked down an ice skating rink and a movie theatre in the direct vicinity in order to put up an Ace hardware and a car dealership...." Are you talking about a plan they had that also never came to fruition? Because the Ace hardware (formerly Kerm-Rima Hardware) and car dealership (the one that took over the blue and white "carosel" nursery building? Hollister, I believe) are on the diagonal corner from where Edwards and Ice Capades were located behind Kona. Still, I guess the point is, it's pretty sad that the Segerstroms were so short-sided.

Anyway, glad the Kona sign found a good home. But, like many hometown Costa Mesans, I know my husband wishes it were right back in its original home, shining over its original building, and we were all still bowling there while ordering "Sunrises in a bucket" from the cocktail waitress and getting fried zuccini from the snack bar. Ah, great memories.


 
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Posted: 2009-04-20 10:40 pm   Permalink

Went to the store tonight that is now i the lot where Kona Lanes used to be, for anyone that is not in the area, the bowling alley is now an ugly overgrown eyesore. As I was loading up my car I noticed a sign of days gone by, did they even pay attention when they started tearing things out such as the Ice Rink and the Movie Theater.



 
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