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Why Destroy Tiki Palaces?
Cammo
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From: San Diego
Posted: 2011-01-31 6:34 pm   Permalink

Why Destroy Tiki Palaces?

I mean, what's the reason? Is there any reason? Or are all hotel managers mindless Venusian robots? As an example, the Hanalei Hotel (I refuse to call it the Crown Plaza) is where Otto has his Big Party. It was scooped out a few years ago apparently for no reason.

These photos are great examples (thanks to Humuhumu, etc.) of the Hanalei Hotel being gutted, this ain't for the weak of stomach so VIEW WITH CAUTION.

Waterfall:


NO Waterfall!


Or to really be brutal,
BEFORE:


AFTER:


I mean, HOLY CRAP that's HORRIBLE! Here is what they did;

1. They've made a really amazing, unique, desirable destination hotel that lifts you out of your regular world into a cream-and-beige boring nightmare that is actually less interesting and attractive than your parents kitchen.

2. They've sapped every single bit of imagination from every wall, ceiling, and floor.

3. Even the menu is boring now; the Islands restaurant used to sell pretty good Polynesian items, and some decent seafood. They now sell beef sandwiches.

4. There is a sushi bar around the corner now. Give them credit.

5. The bar is just as boring.

6. There appears to be no chance ever in the future of having any entertainment anywhere on the grounds, let alone the bar, unless you bring your own stage and pay the groups like Our Man Otto.

7. The entire outside front entrance to the hotel is if anything worse, it's done in corporate glass style, meaning if you don't know what to do, build a glass wall.

So - WHY? Why do this? You would think that MORE people would like a good restaurant than a bad one, more flowers and waterfalls instead of less. Why not do exactly the opposite; why not put in MORE TIKI's????

And - this isn't an aimless ramble. Otto's Tiki Oasis is by FAR the hotel's biggest event. Even the features still left (the great atrium and the general design) bring in more people than any other event all year. So why DO THIS TO THE HANALEI?

Here's the deal - I KNOW WHY. Someone at another hotel TOLD ME. I had forgotten our conversation until this morning, and then realized that I actually know why hotels DO THIS. I know why they paint things beige. I know why a lot of Tiki Hotels have been torn down or remodeled beyond recognition. This reason probably is true of a good many Tiki Bars, too.

I KNOW.

But I want to get everybody thinking a bit about it, so I'm making this a contest.
Post answers, no matter how wild, and if anybody comes even close to the answer....

I'll mail them a SOLID BLACK OKI DOKI MUG.


 
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Sophista-tiki
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Posted: 2011-01-31 6:59 pm   Permalink

hmmm. beige is more universally acceptible by the beige minded masses.
who cant fathom particiating in anything beyond their pre apprtoved comfort zone. and if its in color or remotely exotic then it must be anti conservative and therefor subject to ridiclue and mocking,
beigey blandness makes peopl act sedated and they wont "act up" and have a good time whic could cost the hotel money if rooms get trashed.
Im just tryingto get as many ideas in one post as possible


 
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Sophista-tiki
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Posted: 2011-01-31 7:02 pm   Permalink

am I warm. amI cold?

 
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TikiG
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From: Riverside, California
Posted: 2011-01-31 7:04 pm   Permalink

Re?: maintenance issues

i.e. original visionary owner has died and the passion they held for the project is lost on subsequent owners etc. In other words homogenize the environment as much as possible and reduce potential liabilities to reduce costs.

- just a wild guess I guess.
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Sophista-tiki
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Posted: 2011-01-31 7:08 pm   Permalink

I was just going to say DUST TRAPS

 
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Sophista-tiki
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Posted: 2011-01-31 7:09 pm   Permalink

Insurance

 
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MadDogMike
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From: The Anvil of the Sun
Posted: 2011-01-31 7:18 pm   Permalink

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS bows to THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR

Beige is the least offensive color available:
Any shade of red might offend the Democrats
Any shade of blue might offend the Republicans
Any shade of green might offend the Big Oil Corporations
Any shade of pink might offend the Homophobes
Any shade of black might offend the Racists
Ad nauseum

Offended people don't spend MONEY and MONEY is the only thing that matters


 
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little lost tiki
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Posted: 2011-01-31 8:02 pm   Permalink

Because all that Tiki stuff needs dusting
and a beige soul-less interior is easier to dust and to clean...


 
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surfalaia
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Posted: 2011-01-31 8:07 pm   Permalink

I lost track of the question (beer was involved). It it why ruin tiki palaces? Or why F-up the Hanalei with creme and beige unoriginality? I'll (burp) try to answer both.

1. Why ruin tiki palaces? Because individually operated hotels are no longer individually operated. Therefore, formerly individually operated hotels must be corporate operated. Corporate operated hotels need to be familiar to their clientele. The guest doesn't give a shit that he (or she) is in San Diego. The guest wants the warm, homogenic comfort of knowing he (or she) is in a MARRIOTT hotel. Oh, and there's tikis, so I must be at the beach! Maybe I DO give a shit!!

2. Why F-up the Hanalei with creme and beige unoriginality? Because the Hanalei is in San Diego. Outside of Tiki Oasis, the only patronage the (former) Hanalei enjoys is Southwest Airlines stewardesses and tourists from Phoenix. I have nothing bad to say about Soutwest Airlines stewardeses. Lovely ladies (with the occasional fellow - although less lovely. Pardon my bias). However, tourists from Phoenix are another story. The only (likely) reason the tourist from Phoenix made it as far as the (former) Hanalei is because "The Dunes" were sold out. The (former) Hanalei knows this this, and thus decorated in a colour scheme that they knew Phonecians would appreciate. Desert dwellers are not pre-disposed to vivid colours. Beige and creme works. Second, San Diego is a tourist draw, whether the vacationers are from Phoenix or not. Is there any reason to have a theme, tiki or otherwise? They are going to sell rooms every Spring Break and Summer vacation regardless.

Tiki is just not as big a deal as we think it is.


 
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Cammo
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From: San Diego
Posted: 2011-01-31 9:28 pm   Permalink

Here's hint #1; you folks are taking this WAY too personally. It's not a personal issue. That's what's always clouded the issue for me too.

Hint #2; Dust has nothing to do with it - they have to dust the place anyway, and management doesn't dust, so who cares? They dust the Tikis out in the atrium area. No problem. The dust thing is an easy fallback, but I'd call it an Urban Legend at this point.


 
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Sophista-tiki
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Posted: 2011-01-31 9:45 pm   Permalink

beige photographs better

 
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Okolehao
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From: Monterey, CA
Posted: 2011-01-31 10:10 pm   Permalink

Because unless it's a resort destination with restaurants, golf, beach, marina etc., the bread and butter hotel business is with the work week business travelers. If a place has the resources, meetings and catered events are the next big money makers. Hanalei had a noisy location next to a freeway, terrible parking, no views and an aged concept and facilities. The Crown Plaza now has a noisy location next to a freeway, terrible parking, no views, but bland businessman type amenities, which is what brings in the bland businessmen with money.
There are reasons why Tiki faded away. $$. The Hanalei/Crown Plaza stood and still stands for one reason only and that's to make the most $$. Sadly, Tiki ain't it anymore. Just ask the Fairmont hotel in S.F. (*sigh*)


 
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VampiressRN
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Posted: 2011-01-31 10:49 pm   Permalink

Well said Cammo, and great comparison pictures. I too still call it the Hanalei. The original bar area was so awesome...sigh.
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bigtikidude
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From: Anaheim,Ca.
Posted: 2011-01-31 11:45 pm   Permalink

I'm glad I talked my friends into eating there a few years ago, at Oasis,
on a Sat. afternoon while everybody was vending and doing seminars etc..

I think that the answer is the Owners/Managers Have their heads up their collective asses.

Jeff(btd)



 
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mudbone
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From: michigan
Posted: 2011-02-01 04:22 am   Permalink

Beige is the color the majority of people buy for their home.

 
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