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Why Destroy Tiki Palaces?
WestADad
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From: Tornado Alley
Posted: 2011-02-01 06:09 am   Permalink

They wanted to "brighten the place up" and add a lobby entrance to the restaurant?



 
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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2011-02-01 06:15 am   Permalink

Because the average citizen likes their ...'everything' NEW and not 'outdated'. As one apartment manager told me: 'I got rid of the Tiki stuff because it dates the apartment building'.

Many folks equate anything vintage with 'dirty'. Not desirable for restaurants OR apartment buildings.

Tiki style is seen as dated because there is no context to Polynesia left in everyday culture in today's America.


 
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uncle trav
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Posted: 2011-02-01 06:17 am   Permalink

Because the almighty buck runs the whole show or Walgreens needs space for another store?
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Cammo
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From: San Diego
Posted: 2011-02-01 08:22 am   Permalink

"Because unless it's a resort destination with restaurants, golf, beach, marina etc., the bread and butter hotel business is with the work week business travelers. If a place has the resources, meetings and catered events are the next big money makers. Hanalei had a noisy location next to a freeway, terrible parking, no views and an aged concept and facilities. The Crown Plaza now has a noisy location next to a freeway, terrible parking, no views, but bland businessman type amenities, which is what brings in the bland businessmen with money."

This is getting close.

"Because individually operated hotels are no longer individually operated."

Not true, the Handlery next door to the Hanalei is family owned, they have a great chef and excellent facilities, and a sister location in San Francisco. Great place to work.

"Is there any reason to have a theme, tiki or otherwise?"

Sure there is, billions are at stake, look at Las Vegas, operating the biggest and most popular theme hotels on Earth! And theme restaurants have been enjoying a huge comeback in the last 10 years, much of it due to the Las Vegas and Disney Resort influence which are getting everybody else's clients!

"Tiki is just not as big a deal as we think it is."

But it is - the Tiki Oasis weekend is the BIGGEST EVENT the Hanalei HOLDS! Think about it, none of this really makes sense.

"Tiki style is seen as dated because there is no context to Polynesia left in everyday culture in today's America."

What, have tourists going to Hawaii? Nope. Hawaiian Airlines has popped back up from bankruptcy proceedings to being busy busy busy as heck, L&L Barbeque is the fastest growing retail food chain in the west, hula girls will NEVER be out. There is plenty of context, because in fact the Hanalei was never low on business and has a huge amount of repeat customers. It may be the busiest hotel in that section of San Diego, BECAUSE of it's South Seas theme, not despite it. And again, you can "update" a hotel without utterly destroying the look.

The Look is the Hook. It works.

Again, all of which is totally contrary to what the management did to the hotel.

WHY DID THEY DO IT?!?!??!


 
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Sophista-tiki
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Posted: 2011-02-01 08:41 am   Permalink

is there another clue?

 
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gabbahey
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Posted: 2011-02-01 08:46 am   Permalink

Some tiki-phile persuaded them to sell their cool stuff?

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gabbahey
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Posted: 2011-02-01 08:52 am   Permalink

bump

My other thought would lean on the appearance of cleanliness thing. Bed bugs and such. I am a frequent business traveler and I prefer to be put up in new crappy cookie cutter hotels because on some level the perception is that hotels and motels are like taco bell's or sneakers - they just wear out. I have stayed in a few nice mid-century motels but for the most part I, like the average hotel guest, wants to be reassured that everything is tidy as can be. A coat of beige could concievably do that.


 
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Beach Bum Scott
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Posted: 2011-02-01 09:05 am   Permalink

For the same reason folks by a MCmod home and scrape it to the ground to build something "new"
or
a craftsman era home and gut the kitchen to replace it with SS and granite.

They are clueless and its what everyone else is doing, updating.
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Sophista-tiki
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Posted: 2011-02-01 09:22 am   Permalink

ther is actually a holet called VILLA BEIGE

 
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Sophista-tiki
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Posted: 2011-02-01 09:25 am   Permalink

monochromatic cocoonment makes it more expensive

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Cammo
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From: San Diego
Posted: 2011-02-01 09:37 am   Permalink

"buy a ... craftsman era home and gut the kitchen to replace it with SS and granite. "

I know somebody who bought a REALLY classic craftsman home on a street with nothing but other homes built circa 1905-1924. All he had to do was sand the floors, redo the plumbing and paint the whole place ($250 at Home Depot, tops) to make it double in value.

Instead he TORE IT DOWN and built a giant black three story cube with windows. He went into debt to do it, then the housing market fell through and he's like $923982328228.00 in debt now. But the funny thing was that everybody on the street told him not to tear the house down. He did it anyway and now all of his neighbors hate his guts. So does his wife.

This story has no moral.

Or does it?.....



 
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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2011-02-01 09:42 am   Permalink

In the case of the Hanalei specifically, I believe it was an example of how when a new owner acquires a property, the new regime asserts itself by making some sweeping change. Not because of an improvement is necessary, but because they have to make a change to show their corporate presence. The Hanalei restaurant (after it had lost a good percentage of its mana by having the entrance and bar destroyed by the previous owners) was an easy target.


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bigtikidude
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Posted: 2011-02-01 10:14 am   Permalink

admittedly Tiki Oasis has grown quite a bit in the last 5 years.
but I found it quite odd, that the year we ate there, we were the only ones in the restaurant, and now that its plain and white.
It's packed all the time.

even tiki folks didn't get it.


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Cammo
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From: San Diego
Posted: 2011-02-01 10:19 am   Permalink

"My other thought would lean on the appearance of cleanliness thing. Bed bugs and such."

It would be interesting to put this to the test by creating a hotel line that looks like In N' Out Burger; all white and red tile, spotlessly clean and eye-searingly bright. Maybe it would work. Maybe not... because in fact beige looks 'dirtier' than white. It is white with brown added to it.

If clean was the single biggest concern, why not go for high-gloss white walls, bright primary colors and super-bright lights? To my eye, the designers have not been asked to make the hotels look "clean" but "boring".

Clean would actually look space-age cool.

Again, WHY BORING?????


 
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Chip and Andy
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Posted: 2011-02-01 10:21 am   Permalink

I use a term I picked up from a Science Fiction Writer..... Continuity Clubs.

The plan is this: Today's hectic traveler is looking for some bit of familiarity while in a strange land. If said traveler walks into the local Marriott and it looks like every other Marriott they have ever been in they feel 'safe,' like they are no longer a stranger in a strange land.

An even better example of this idea would be Embassy Suites. Every Embassy Suites I have ever been in looks exactly like every other Embassy Suites I have visited. A nice atrium with a breakfast bar, a happy hour with cheep beer and wine, maybe a night club if your lucky, and rooms that are nice with the only difference in any of them anywhere being the restaurants listed in the little book on the credenza when you walk in.

Then, as to why they always turn to the most neutral color palette possible? It is hard for a corporation to have much (any) imagination. You have marketing and design departments full of ideas presenting their ideas to some middle level of management who put their two cents into the design before they give it to the next higher level of management who add their two cents and by the time it reaches the people who can say yes the idea has been flattened and homogenized so much as there is no character left but the top level management thinks its a good idea because they pay their marketing and design departments big bucks so they must know what they are doing when presenting this bland beige and dusty rose with cranberry accents plan.


 
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