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Is this even LEGAL?!?!
TheMuggler
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Joined: Mar 26, 2002
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From: Brooklyn, NY
Posted: 2002-06-21 1:19 pm   Permalink

I know we have discussed Shag rip off look alike artists, but this guy not only rips off the style but the subject and composition as well!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=885512840

Geesh, are people really buying this stuff?

-Mike
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dogbytes
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From: seattle, wa
Posted: 2002-06-22 12:36 am   Permalink

im stunned.
wordless.


 
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Turbogod
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Posted: 2002-06-22 08:18 am   Permalink

And I don't think he mentions shag at all.

 
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kongtiki
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Joined: Apr 26, 2002
Posts: 68
From: Chicago
Posted: 2002-06-22 08:28 am   Permalink

Oh, but he DID mention Shag after some prodding:

My email to the "artist':
Is this an intentional rip off of Shag, or what exactly are you doing here with this more or less note for note copy of his work?

The response came back:
"Why on earth would you e-mail me? It is not a point by point, look at
Shag's. Do me a favor, go away."

Charming. And obvioiusly, it opens up a whole new way of approaching artistic endeavors.


 
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dogbytes
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From: seattle, wa
Posted: 2002-06-22 10:09 am   Permalink

ok, who has Josh's email address? its time to use the Mail This Auction To A Friend feature.

 
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fatuhiva
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
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From: Melbourne Beach, FL
Posted: 2002-06-22 5:25 pm   Permalink

that is classic

im buyin it


 
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midnite
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
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From: 37? 47' N, 122? 26' W
Posted: 2002-06-24 12:18 am   Permalink

re:"Is this even LEGAL?!?!"

Well, either we didn't cover it, or (likelier) I was asleep during that lecture in Copyright Law, but it certainly looks like a "cease" letter is in order from Josh's counsel. Some of the stuff I see on Ebay is simply derivative of Josh's "style". This one is way past that level, straight into "no-no" area.

No comments on Josh's talents or how easy it seems for someone to copy his work. I left art school for law school a LONG time ago...and now do neither!

Gotta put this "copycat" guy below the Ebay scam sellers that tried to pass of Shag greeting cards as something more. I sent some emails out about those scamsters.

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Turbogod
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Posted: 2002-06-24 9:53 pm   Permalink

Josh's email. shag@shag-art.com Josh takes the time to respond to your emails. I think that's just great. Livin' in Balto, MD that is the closest I will probably ever get to meeting him, as no one ever comes here.

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kahukini
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Joined: Mar 28, 2002
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From: Saint Louis
Posted: 2002-06-24 10:18 pm   Permalink

Shag is planning to coordinate a showing in Atlanta with us for next year's HUKILAU, so you'll have to come down for that... only 11 hours by car!

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Cherry Capri
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Joined: Jun 24, 2002
Posts: 238
From: an uncharted desert isle
Posted: 2002-06-24 11:26 pm   Permalink

I adore Shag and we have even hired him to work on our band logo, but even he admits to borrowing style from other artists. Check out the work of Gene Deitch and Jim Flora sometime and you will see the fountainhead of his inspiration.
The work in this eBay auction actually has more in common with Disney's Academy Award winning Ward Kimball's Toot Whistle Plunk and Boom than a rip-off of Shag. And the poor fellow certainly isn't getting the $1000+ price tag for his work that Shag deservedly gets.


 
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kahukini
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From: Saint Louis
Posted: 2002-06-24 11:37 pm   Permalink

short clips from that cartoon are on this page, I see what you are talking about http://www.reelclassics.com/Gallery/video3.htm

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Cherry Capri
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From: an uncharted desert isle
Posted: 2002-06-25 12:16 am   Permalink

cool + thanks! I have been looking for clips of this cartoon online. i mean that ebay painting was derivitive of Shag's Three Musicians... but this helps put it all in perspective. Plus, you know Shag was just updating his own version of Picasso's Three Musicians, too! That's why we love him because of his cultural nods to all the things we love from Planet of the Apes to Nancy and Lee playing the Roxy!

 
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Swanky
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Joined: Apr 03, 2002
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From: Hapa Haole Hideaway, TN
Posted: 2002-06-25 06:54 am   Permalink

Actually, send the Ebay guy's image to Switched On. they represent Shag's art and rights. I'd say he would just forward it to them anyway.
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mig
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From: Sunnycupertoga, CA
Posted: 2002-06-25 1:41 pm   Permalink

Recently, in Portland, Frenchy took me to a store called Home Ec. Lots of cute things there-- but they were indeed also selling numerous (probably about a dozen) direct ripoffs of Shag paintings. Direct as in, direct copies, painted by someone on canvas.

 
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kongtiki
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Joined: Apr 26, 2002
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From: Chicago
Posted: 2002-06-28 3:44 pm   Permalink

Har haw! More of the same:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=890031805

There's some poor child chained up in a basement somewhere cranking these things out...


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