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|  Posted: 2002-11-11 4:08 pm Permalink
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TikiManiac
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Posts: 161 | Posted: 2002-11-11 4:54 pm Permalink
Why hasn't anybody noted that this is in all likelihood illegal?!? This guy is breaking a copyright...Shag could sue him...and at the very least, have Ebay cancel the auction...
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Humuhumu
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| Posted: 2002-11-11 5:23 pm Permalink
I'm with TikiManiac - I know we go round and round (and round) on this subject, but I really think this goes waaaaay beyond the sincerest form of flattery, and I don't care if the guy is owning up to this being a copy. I think it should get yanked by ebay.
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Trader_Rick
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Posts: 155
From: Santa Barbara, CA
| Posted: 2002-11-12 03:41 am Permalink
I'm with Sulltiki. This painting sucks. The woman in the original looks classy, the girl in the rip-off painting looks like a drunken slut. I can't believe someone bid on this thing. Oh wait, yes I can, b/c people here have bid on much worse crap! Just kidding.
If someone wants a Shag painting badly but it is beyond their, then yeah, they should buy a print. Or make a photocopy out of one of his books. Or a Monsieur Z painting! 
I wonder when knock-off Shag mugs will start appearing on eBay? Even if they said "replica Shag mug," I'm sure Shag and Holden would have enough of a case to shut down the auction.
Hmm, what about a "Shag-like" mug?
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tikifish
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Posts: 2720
From: Toronto,Canada
| Posted: 2002-11-12 06:43 am Permalink
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On 2002-11-12 03:41, Trader_Rick wrote:
I'm with Sulltiki. This painting sucks. The woman in the original looks classy, the girl in the rip-off painting looks like a drunken slut.
-What have you got against drunken sluts?
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KokomoTikiBar&Grill
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Joined: May 20, 2002
Posts: 429
From: KOKOMO, MISSISSIPPI
| Posted: 2002-11-12 06:45 am Permalink
Hey where is the Mad Tiki? Isnt he supposed to be defending this "Knockoff" dude?
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tikimug
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| Posted: 2002-11-12 09:42 am Permalink
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On 2002-11-12 06:43, tikifish wrote:
-What have you got against drunken sluts?
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There is nothing better in this world than drunken sluts... if it wasn't for them I'd never had gotten lai... NEVERMIND!
And now ON topic, I personally don't get it, why paint a cheap imatation? Are you paying homage to the original or just trying to cash in on the hype? Or better yet, why would you want to own a cheap imatation? There shouldn't be a market out there for this crap.
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tikifish
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 2720
From: Toronto,Canada
| Posted: 2002-11-12 10:00 am Permalink
They're definitely just trying to cash in on the hype. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to wake up and smell the pupus.
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TikiManiac
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Joined: Sep 27, 2002
Posts: 161 | Posted: 2002-11-15 09:42 am Permalink
I contacted Ebay about this travesty and they said that unless Shag himself reports the item, they are not authorized to make any assumptions as to whether or not the painting is a copy and end the auction. We are living in a capitalist world where you can lie, cheat, and STEAL to get rich. How tragic...
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jukeboy56
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Joined: May 22, 2002
Posts: 113
From: Hobbs, New Mexico
| Posted: 2002-11-15 10:00 am Permalink
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On 2002-11-15 09:42, TikiManiac wrote:
I contacted Ebay about this travesty and they said that unless Shag himself reports the item, they are not authorized to make any assumptions as to whether or not the painting is a copy and end the auction. We are living in a capitalist world where you can lie, cheat, and STEAL to get rich. How tragic...
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While I don't like this painting, or the fact that eBay won't do anything about protecting Shag's rights, you can't fault capitalism. In fact capitalism, free markets and supply & demand will set the proper price for this cheap copy -- and it won't be very high.
As far as getting "rich", I doubt that the artist who created this copy ever will, considering the cost of time and materials it took to create it. The bidder's aren't exactly knocking each other out of the running to get the thing. (One bid with 6 hours left to go)
Speaking from my experience as a painter with a few sales under my belt, I would bet that whoever created this thing could do MUCH better economically by creating something original and putting it in their local artist's association co-op gallery. Maybe this failure to reap the kinds of prices that Shag's work does will send this painter back to working on his own ideas and developing his own style.
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tikifish
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From: Toronto,Canada
| Posted: 2002-11-15 10:07 am Permalink
No, this artist (make that CON artist) has broken no laws here. He has every right to sell this crap to anyone crazy enough to buy it. However, he's broken several karmic laws:
-Thou shall not rip off original and creative ideas of others to make a profit
-Thou shall not take the likeness of drunken sluts in vain
-Thou shalt not call thine art a 'homage', unless it is truthfully labelled as 'homage to greed.'
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jukeboy56
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Joined: May 22, 2002
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From: Hobbs, New Mexico
| Posted: 2002-11-15 10:22 am Permalink
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On 2002-11-15 10:07, tikifish wrote:
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And what goes around karmas around. May a plague of hairline cracks descend upon his mug collection!
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MaD-TiKi
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| Posted: 2002-11-15 1:45 pm Permalink
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On 2002-11-15 10:07, tikifish wrote:
No, this artist (make that CON artist) has broken no laws here. He has every right to sell this crap to anyone crazy enough to buy it. However, he's broken several karmic laws:
-Thou shall not rip off original and creative ideas of others to make a profit
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Well here is someone listing auctions that is doing the same thing. Ripping off the Original artist for his own profit. Yes he does say he cast them but puts the year the Original Artist made them. What a rip off. That much money for them I want the Original. Heres the link to them.
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=nedyahr&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25
There I'm Back, Have fun with it.
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TikiManiac
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Joined: Sep 27, 2002
Posts: 161 | Posted: 2002-11-15 2:15 pm Permalink
Uh-oh...I reckon we're about to witness a battle here...in one corner we have, KokomoTikiBar&Grill and in the other corner, we have Mad-Tiki...
As I have seen other Tiki Centralites post: Can't we all just get along?!?
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KokomoTikiBar&Grill
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Joined: May 20, 2002
Posts: 429
From: KOKOMO, MISSISSIPPI
| Posted: 2002-11-15 2:42 pm Permalink
If I wanted any lip from you Mad Tiki, I would have scraped it off of some queers zipper! So there! Penis Ear Puppy Moai BOY!
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