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tikifish
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From: Toronto,Canada
|  Posted: 2003-05-26 08:30 am Permalink
I have never put my mugs in the dishwasher, but then it occurred to me - if people used them in restaurants wouldn't they have gone through the dishwasher there? SO are mugs dishwasher safe or no?
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TikiGoddess
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From: Penna
| Posted: 2003-05-26 11:24 am Permalink
I would not want to find out! Why risk it when it takes a minute to wash them by hand?
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tikifish
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From: Toronto,Canada
| Posted: 2003-05-26 11:27 am Permalink
It takes a minute to wash ONE. But when you have 60 or more, it's another story!
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Formikahini
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From: Houston, Texotica
| Posted: 2003-05-26 3:50 pm Permalink
Oh, you lucky people with dishwashers who even get to ponder this question...
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Futura Girl
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Joined: Oct 01, 2002
Posts: 933 | Posted: 2003-05-26 4:40 pm Permalink
i have always been cautious about putting anything remotely collectible into the dishwasher... it's not the hot water, but the detergents that are so caustic as to do damage. The typical dishwasher detergent will eat the silk screening off of glasses, wear off the gold rims off of expensive china and put a dull haze on colorful pyrex - actually it's removing the gloss finish off of it.
Then I think it was my mother-in-law that hipped me to putting a special load in after an event (where you are looking at a lot of dirty china) with no soap.
So now I have done that on a rare occasion when there is an overwhelming amount of dirty good stuff to wash. Just give everything a quick rinse to remove anything noticeable dirty, then once through the washer with no soap for a short cycle for sterilization.
Of course for anything really old and valuable - just bite the bullet and hand wash...
[ This Message was edited by: Futura Girl on 2003-05-26 16:41 ]
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suffering bastard
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From: Silver Spring, MD
| Posted: 2003-05-26 5:30 pm Permalink
I've heard that repeated dishwashing can cause (or hasten) the crazing that is commonly seen in the older mugs. Never tested it, but it makes sense that repeated wide temperature changes could cause superficial cracking in the glaze. Of course, I kind of like crazing in the older mugs--- I think it gives them character.
Modern glazes might be more durable than those from the past.
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kctiki
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Joined: Apr 22, 2003
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From: Kansas City
| Posted: 2003-05-26 5:43 pm Permalink
Not sure if you're needing to wash 60 after a party or just wanting to shine up your collection. But if the latter is the case, here's what I do to keep the task from becoming too daunting. Clean and polish only one mug per day until the cycle is complete.
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tiki-riviera
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Joined: May 11, 2003
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From: Long Beach
| Posted: 2003-05-26 6:17 pm Permalink
Why wash them at all?? If you put enough alcohol in your drinks it will kill all the bacteria
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Saint-Thomas
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From: Knoxhell
| Posted: 2003-05-26 10:01 pm Permalink
Dishwasher detergent contains alkalais which will chemically react to some of the components of the glaze, namely the ones which color it, if the glaze is not formulated properly. Many factors which you have no way of determining include, is there enough silica?, was it fired to the proper temperature (matured), is the glaze overloaded with metal( copper, iron, etc.)
It is sad that most commercial ceramics producers rarely pay attention to these things. I would treat all ceramics as dishwasher safe, unless it holds some value to you. You never know how durable the glaze is. Also keep citrus away from your mugs. Lemon will turn a nice green mug into a lemon wedge- shaped, colorless spot if the manufacturer didn't formulate or fire the glaze properly.
My mugs are dishwasher safe. (except the gold ones!)
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tikifish
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From: Toronto,Canada
| Posted: 2003-05-27 06:33 am Permalink
THis is an interesting discussion I have started. So far, opinion is divided. But how did the restaurants wash their mugs? Surely not all by hand?
I was asking because I just packed them all to move, and noticed they are all verrry dusty. When I unpack them at the new home (aka the saucer house) I would like to have them all sparkly clean.
Maybe it's "Lailanis in the washer, Munktikis in the sink!"
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SugarCaddyDaddy
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Joined: Jun 03, 2002
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From: Huntington Beach, California
| Posted: 2003-05-27 07:33 am Permalink
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THis is an interesting discussion I have started. So far, opinion is divided. But how did the restaurants wash their mugs? Surely not all by hand? |
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Actually TikiFish, alot of bars do wash by hand! There are Sani-tubs and sanitizing detergents in the bar industry for hand washing right at the bar and in the kitchen area. If you ever see the hand washing system, it looks like a bunch of hand washing bottle brushes mounted upside down on a board. You take the mug and invert it onto a "brush", give a few good twists, and then dip & rinse in the clean-water basin.
There are also high-powered, high efficiency dish washers for the hotel & bar industry that can actually do a whole load of glasses in less than three minutes! Alot of them are in high use in Las Vegas.
Just FYI and my 2 coconuts worth!
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Erika
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From: N.J. (Philadelphia vicinity)
| Posted: 2003-05-27 12:01 pm Permalink
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On 2003-05-27 06:33, tikifish wrote:
But how did the restaurants wash their mugs? Surely not all by hand?
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Even if they did wash the mugs in a machine, the restaurants had to constantly buy new mugs anyway, and wouldn't have considered them beloved collectibles like we do.
I'd spend the hour hand-washing.
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DawnTiki
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From: next stop Hulaville!
| Posted: 2003-05-27 12:19 pm Permalink
I'm with Futura Girl on this one, rinsing them in the dishwasher should be fine. Don't most dishwashers have temperature controls, so you don't have to risk crazing with the extreme heat and I wouldn't ever trust the harsh detergents with something that was important to me.
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tigertlily
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Joined: Aug 31, 2002
Posts: 7
From: Beautiful Bay Area
| Posted: 2003-05-27 10:53 pm Permalink
When I first began collecting mugs, there was plant dirt, cigarette butts, bugs and insects, and I felt hand washing was not going to get all that crud out, so I stuck everything in the dishwasher. Welllllll, what I learned was, if it has been "cold-painted" like the old Bali Hai mugs, you get a clean mug but it has no eyes or lips. Or a Fu Manchu mug has no fu or manchu left. So I stick the solid-colored ones in the dishwasher and hand wash all the cold painted ones in cold water.
By the way, I found the answer to "What is the difference between a cup and a mug?" A cup always has a saucer, but a mug is put directly on the table. Courtesy of Barbara Conroy, author of "Restaurant China".
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martiki
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| Posted: 2003-05-28 10:11 am Permalink
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On 2003-05-27 22:53, tigertlily wrote:
Or a Fu Manchu mug has no fu or manchu left.
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Sorry for the frivolous post, but I just thought that sentence was really, really funny for some reason.
-martin
I have no fu!
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