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SanDiegoJoe
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Joined: Sep 02, 2011
Posts: 1
From: San Diego
|  Posted: 2011-09-02 5:08 pm Permalink
I agree Matt, There was almost a fight in one of the room parties (actually happening at the same time on the same floor as the elevator mug incident).. This guy walked into the room and shouldered the host... then turned around and ran into him again, looking for a fight. The host and I simply grabbed him and shoved him out the door, his girlie was yelling at him ("why do you have to be like that").
There is no room for this kind of stuff at Tiki Oasis. There is no fighting in tiki - just rum and love.
- Joe
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On 2011-09-01 17:30, Matt Reese wrote:
I think these few instances could be easily avoided if the Tiki community steps up a bit. I noticed little things that would help, like if you see some joker at a room party and he gets drinks without tipping, ask that person to leave. We have to hold people accountable in this community if we are ever going to rid ourselves of the clowns that just don't get it. If there are people doing things that you know are lame, say something to them. I do love this scene and noticed a big part of what makes it cool is that there are no "tough guy" types. I saw one younger guy trying to act tough, giving people the mad dog stare. No one bothered to respond to him.This basically invalidated his whole deal and he lightened up. No one has time for frat mentality b.s. I, for one, have no problem asking people to chill when they get out of line. I'm no tough guy. Anyone who knows me knows I do my best to turn the other cheek. I also have no problem protecting a scene that I enjoy and am involved heavily in. This sentiment isn't just for Tiki Oasis, it goes for any event I attend. Tiki Oasis is a big deal. I love it and will continue to attend and do my part to keep it as TC as I can. Maybe everyone needs to ask themselves if the scene is something they love do they want to help correct the problems or just complain and hope others will take care of it? I'm not suggesting anything stupid like violence. I'm suggesting being vocal at the events themselves and confronting negative aspects to try and resolve them.
Whew! That was exhausting.
Peace with every step.
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Mai Tai
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Joined: Mar 21, 2004
Posts: 1430
From: Exotic Isle of Alameda
| Posted: 2011-09-02 6:49 pm Permalink
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On 2011-09-02 00:44, Otto wrote:
...here are names and photos of the four jokers who made sexist comments and anti-gay comments and started an unprovoked fight that resulted in an innocent bystander going to the emergency room:
Mark Schnieder, Hayden Britten, Trevor Watkins - aka Abalone Watkins, and Sterling Weatherley
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Here's what Mark Schneider looks like
Mark's facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/msjr1987
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Oh Looky, here is Mark Schneider Jr.'s CONTACT INFORMATION, posted right on his FaceBook page. What an intelligent lad he must be.
Contact Information
Phone: 1 619.569.9562 Mobile
Address: San Diego, CA
Email: msjr1987@hotmail.com
Facebook: http://facebook.com/msjr1987
I suggest everyone call him, send him e-mail, and post on his FaceBook wall what a super cool guy he is for trying to bully women and also gay bash. When I dig up and post his home address, feel free to drop by his house and express these feelings however you feel to both him, and his family. Maybe the admissions people at his community college/trade school/juvenile hall probation officer would like to hear about this as well. Same for his boss, and surf sponsors. Maybe his girlfriend Leah Maddi would love to have a deep philosophical conversation about it, too.
Same goes for the rest of 'em as soon as I dig up their contact info!
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phinz
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Joined: Dec 30, 2007
Posts: 195
From: Southeast of Disorder
| Posted: 2011-09-02 7:53 pm Permalink
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On 2011-09-01 10:03, TikiPug wrote:
Oasis was such a blast. But not for everybody.
I found these pieces of a broken moai mug outside of Sabu The Coconut Boy's room party
It looks like someone's shattered dreams 
(Not to be confused with the broken mug incident with the cut leg)
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I have the bottom of that mug with the location stamp on it. I'm going to use it in a mosaic.
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Coco Loco
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Joined: Mar 21, 2004
Posts: 821
From: Exotic Isle of Alameda
| Posted: 2011-09-02 7:57 pm Permalink
Couple of thoughts.
1. On security for room parties: Not necessary. The room parties originated in early Palm Spring Oasis' (kudos to Dr. Z as the originator) as a way for TC friends to celebrate each other, share their special recipes, and simply enjoy small enjoyable personable Ohana gatherings.
In the past few years the room parties have evolved into massive room venues taking on a life of their own. Many current party throwers did not have the opportunity to attend the PS Oasis' so they really do not know the history or original intent. Current Suite parties are cool and I'm not criticizing, but the original intention of the room parties was something different I think.
It's amazing now that there are so few incidents with the number of LARGE suite room parties (containing of a lot of people who do not know each other). I think it's a testament to the attendees and their dedication to keeping it good.
The issue here I believe is that because of the massive nature of the parties, they are taking on strong word of mouth exposure, outside of the event. And it does create new challenges when outsiders (ie Marines or drunk surfers) are able to access the hotel and wander into the parties. Perhaps as a general rule, without a valid age appropriate attendee wristband (ie adult wristband & not the kid wristband), no admittance into the party. That solves it right there.
AND if anyone sees someone wandering around at night without a wristband at all, call security immediately.
2. Sadly I was in the elevator when the incident began. King douche bag, the guy in the red shirt, held the elevator for 30 seconds (the alarm you heard) rallying his drunk buddies in. Mark Schneider was so drunk he could barely stand. The guy in the white tiki shirt parroted whatever the red shirt douche bag said.
Bottom line, they were belligerently drunk. The "surfers" were truly ugly loud abusive drunk idiots. Long story shorter, they are really not good drunks, were party crashers, and I hope they all have arrest records now. Wouldn't it be fun to send letters and surveillance videos to their frats, surf sponsors, and swim teams showing them this behavior? That might teach them a lesson.
The other people in the elevator did not blame this on TO. They blamed it on the idiots and were/are thinking about pressing civil charges. But they were very appreciative of how TO attendees jumped in to support and help.
For myself, I viewed these guys as ugly (in every way) drunk idiots, so didn't take it personally and moved on as quickly as possible.
Afterward, I went to the next party and shook off this truly Rare ugly incident. I enjoyed this fantastic even in every way despite a couple of idiots. Viva la tiki! 
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Rob Roy
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Joined: Dec 03, 2004
Posts: 349
From: Ventura, CA
| Posted: 2011-09-02 8:32 pm Permalink
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On 2011-09-02 19:57, Coco Loco wrote:
Couple of thoughts.
1. On security for room parties: Not necessary. The room parties originated in early Palm Spring Oasis' (kudos to Dr. Z as the originator) as a way for TC friends to celebrate each other, share their special recipes, and simply enjoy small enjoyable personable Ohana gatherings.
In the past few years the room parties have evolved into massive room venues taking on a life of their own. Many current party throwers did not have the opportunity to attend the PS Oasis' so they really do not know the history or original intent. Current Suite parties are cool and I'm not criticizing, but the original intention of the room parties was something different I think.
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That is why this year we tried in our cabana doing the big room parties after 10:30 and an actual room crawl at 2 in the afternoon. I still like the rum tasting the NorCal guys did a couple of years ago.
Rob
Cult of the Eye
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Coco Loco
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Joined: Mar 21, 2004
Posts: 821
From: Exotic Isle of Alameda
| Posted: 2011-09-02 8:34 pm Permalink
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On 2011-09-02 20:32, Rob Roy wrote:
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On 2011-09-02 19:57, Coco Loco wrote:
Couple of thoughts.
1. On security for room parties: Not necessary. The room parties originated in early Palm Spring Oasis' (kudos to Dr. Z as the originator) as a way for TC friends to celebrate each other, share their special recipes, and simply enjoy small enjoyable personable Ohana gatherings.
In the past few years the room parties have evolved into massive room venues taking on a life of their own. Many current party throwers did not have the opportunity to attend the PS Oasis' so they really do not know the history or original intent. Current Suite parties are cool and I'm not criticizing, but the original intention of the room parties was something different I think.
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yes, but the marines crashed that party too later in the night. Got belligerent when the booze ran out.
That is why this year we tried in our cabana doing the big room parties after 10:30 and an actual room crawl at 2 in the afternoon. I still like the rum tasting the NorCal guys did a couple of years ago.
Rob
Cult of the Eye
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babydoe
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Joined: Jan 27, 2003
Posts: 250
From: Bay Area
| Posted: 2011-09-02 8:36 pm Permalink
Besame Cosmetics is offering 10% off their cosmetics for Tiki Oasis attendees until Sept 9th!! I just bought THREE lipsticks!!
CODE = TW10
https://www.besamecosmetics.com
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Coco Loco
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Mar 21, 2004
Posts: 821
From: Exotic Isle of Alameda
| Posted: 2011-09-02 8:39 pm Permalink
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On 2011-09-02 20:36, babydoe wrote:
Besame Cosmetics is offering 10% off their cosmetics for Tiki Oasis attendees until Sept 9th!! I just bought THREE lipsticks!!
CODE = TW10
https://www.besamecosmetics.com
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Cute colors too!
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Big Vic
Tiki Centralite
Joined: Aug 24, 2010
Posts: 77 | Posted: 2011-09-02 9:11 pm Permalink
I really don't want to lessen the energy and buzz from the room parties. I don't want to see the non wrist band people not come. I had family and old friends join us and it was so very magical. I know some friends of mine who attended and paid for T.O this year after spending an evening doing the parties last year. Yes, the mega parties have gotten really huge. They have taken on a life of their own. Last year we really felt it for the first time. Last year our Saturday night party was huge. There was a line from the elevator to our room door. That actually scared us. we (the hosts) quickly decided we needed to have a door man. We also decided that we would have a person roaming inside just keeping an eye on things. At one point we had a friend standing next to the coffee table because drunk girls kept jumping up on top to dance on it. If not for that home grown security I think we would have had so many things broken, stolen or people getting hurt.
This year we were expecting it. I did the door again. We built a stage (welded frame and 1 1/2 inch plywood, only a foot off the ground, with a non slip surface) for dancing. One of us monitored our balcony bathroom etc. When those idiots (elevator fight) came in our room the bar tender, Alley, quickly gave me the heads up that they were not behaving. This was before the elevator fight. I walked up to them and said "you got to go'" They responded: "Why?!" I said: Bartender said it, I believe it. Out!" He got in my face for a moment But to my surprise and his, Notch's blonde friend was there next to me. Suddenly Ron came out of no where. About five or six other Northern Cal and Southern Cal Tiki friends of mine appeared and stood all around him. He said nothing more and he and the others left.
I love Tiki Oasis for everything in it and everything that happens. We love throwing our mega party BUT. We realize it comes with a risk. This year we did not get the crowd we did last year but running it like a club security really helped keep us safer. The drunk surfer dudes didn't get to just wonder into a free booze room. First thing they saw was the door guy. I made it clear we were watching but still, they were welcomed. We wanted a fun time for all. The bar tenders knew exactly what they needed to do if things started going sour. We saw the elevator fight from the door. But since were were not official T.O. or hotel anything we stayed out of it. We could have only made it worse. Of course if the guy had run in my direction instead of towards Forbidden Island, I probably would have put a damper in his escape attempt. With love!!
My point? If your going to have a mega party, be responsible. Decide not only what decor to put up , what drink to serve but what to do if someone starts a fight in the middle of your living room! maybe pro active plan among the hosts about the steps to take to avoid it getting to that. Next year I will be more in communication with Dr. Shocker so if we have a problem with someone, we'll let him know, so when we kick problem people out, they just don't go next door and become someone else's problem. Let's not ruin a good thing because of a few. Just everyone be responsible for your little part. That's just my .02¢
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Zog
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Joined: Aug 07, 2007
Posts: 22 | Posted: 2011-09-03 01:17 am Permalink
You know I think we saw a few of those guys. They seemed obnoxious. Shame that the 0.2% has to mess up the harmless fun of a large group like this.
You are always going to have a small minority of lunatics and douchebags wherever there is any kind of drinking. Weddings, parties, club gigs, etc. They seem to sniff out some way to score the booze and leave a wake of trouble in their path, in one fell swoop. We've all had many soirees crashed by these types, I am sure over the years. I have some stories, I tell ya. Pity it had to happen at Tiki Oasis.
I hope the victims are doing better!
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sleestak
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Aug 11, 2006
Posts: 506
From: san diego
| Posted: 2011-09-03 10:00 am Permalink
well i dont know about you people, but more security means no fricken party! security is another word for cops! i cant believe that out of the 800 people that stay at the hotel and then the other 6 or more hotels of attendees nobody can handle 3 boys! 3 BOYS!!!!! over a thousand people against 3 BOYS!!! it is like everybody wants a great time but these 3 BOYS killed it for all of us??? i NEVER SAW THEM!!! i have now seen their profiles i now know their addresses, and phone numbers along with everyone else in the t.c. world, and guess what? NO ONE WILL DO ANYTHING STILL!!! this is a tiny event(these guys causing bullshit) out of 4 days this was the incident and now its been a week and they get all the press!!! we are giving these schmucks so much attention and energy its fucking rediculous!!! tiki oasis is a untouchable event meaning that: you CAN attend a party in someones room, you CAN see a band on every floor after hours, you CAN walk around with a drink wherever you want whenever you want with NO DRAMA, you CAN be lurking back to your room at 4 am and ITS NOT WEIRD, you CAN have a drink at my trailer after ice bar closes down, you CAN!!! put more cops on every floor in every entrance way, in front of every room,and guess what??? YOU CANT!!! because these guys are going to DO THEIR JOB, which does not include getting the event or understanding that YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THE 3 ASSHOLES CAUSING DRAMA! you people need to really think about these type of statements before acting on this shit, or the event is going to BLOW!!! are we adults that have voices? are we capable of not needing mass security, or do we handle OUR EVENT OUR WAY? the partys are WAY bigger and crazier than ever before, but thats what happens when event like this get large! im pretty sure that this has happened because its one of the BEST events of ALL TIME kudos to OTTO and BABY DOE. and im sure that they want this event to be a HUGE success or they would go through the trouble of doing all of this for over a decade now. we need to get over this and prepare for next year, cause its probably going to be even bigger! on the other hand when the event is over at 11pm or so, why is it fair to need a wristband to be on the premisses? THIS IS NOT A PRIVATE PARTY (the crowne plaza) i understand that the rooms are (which i feel if you dont want someone in without a wristband than so be it) but if my dad wants to come have a drink in my room or is babysitting my child he WILL NOT HAVE a wristband so can he not come to my room? will security not let my 69 yr old father onto the premisses because he did not buy his way in after hours??? by the way my dad doesnt drink, but thats not my point? i have a sitter every year there and they dont pay to sit in my room with my kid. will they have to now??? will security not let her up? how expensive do you guys want your vacations to become??? we do not need more police, we do need less whining and complaining and more positive interaction between everyone! lets help each other to not let a couple people bug us out this hard!!! WE CAN DO IT!!! TIKI IS VERY POWERFULL, LETS USE THIS TO OUR ADVANTAGE, AND JUST HAVE FUN!!! LOVE ALL YOU ALLS!!!
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sleestak
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Joined: Aug 11, 2006
Posts: 506
From: san diego
| Posted: 2011-09-03 10:23 am Permalink
one more thing be very cautious and dont be dumb and attack these people online, its evidence against you that is not returnable, meaning if you send hate or what may be considered threatening posts they can be used against you!!! i have seen this recently about a dumb tattoo show on tlc called tattoo school, the entire tattoo community is very offended by this butchery on humans by people who are not trained at ALL! anyhow some people thought it may be a good idea to really let the people involved with the show know how they really felt and needless to say, they are now being looked into by the feds. the computer can be really awesome but it can also seal your fate, so be good to one another and be smart!
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harro
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Joined: Sep 05, 2005
Posts: 672
From: Australia / Argentina
| Posted: 2011-09-03 5:16 pm Permalink
I just wanna change the topic for a second and say:
What an AWESOME event Tiki Oasis 2011 was!! And kudos to Otto, the Crowne Plaza, all the volunteers, vendors and performers who put on an amazing event!!!
I met an amazing bunch of friendly peeps who really helped me out on my whirlwind tiki tour of California. You guys really made my holiday - MAHALO!!
Cheers,
Tim
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Wildsville man
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Joined: Dec 13, 2007
Posts: 1300
From: PALM SPRINGSVILLE
| Posted: 2011-09-03 6:51 pm Permalink
Yes, it was great. It was a blast seeing old friends and making some new ones. Mucho impressed with all of the option that were offered.
Great Bands and some awesome room parties. Also I was super impressed by the amount of vendors that worked the show. These guy's obviously life the live style year round.
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Bula Bula
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Joined: Jul 31, 2009
Posts: 2
From: Ventura, Ca.
| Posted: 2011-09-04 12:06 am Permalink
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Mark Schnieder, Hayden Britten, Trevor Watkins - aka Abalone Watkins, and Sterling Weatherley
Michael Votrian from La Jolla, wife Lorrie Reid Votrian, and daughter Becca Marie know these guys and are possibly the reason these guys showed up at Crowne Plaza. And they are related to Ralph Votrian Jr. who was also at Tiki Oasis this year and last year |
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First off let me say that what happened with these losers goes against everything that is the spirit of Tiki Oasis and was horrible and unacceptable. I hope they get whats coming to them, but even more I hope that sometime soon they grow up and become decent human beings.
With that being said I would like to set the record straight in regards to any suggested involvement on our part. My husband Ralph and myself have been attending TO for the last four years and certainly do not want our names or reputations to be maligned in any way. It was very upsetting to us to see our names even mentioned in this post though I understand everyone is just searching for answers. We countdown the days to this event with great anticipation every year and look forward to once again seeing all the fantastic people we have met! The friendliness, acceptance and diversity of this crowd is like no other. We are from Ventura and do not know these kids nor have we ever met them. We have no knowledge of how they got into the event and would certainly never associate ourselves with people that would behave that way, let alone bring them in. If my niece Becca knows them, I am certainly hoping they are not her friends. I have not spoken with Mike and Lorrie about this because until I read the post I would not have known to link them with what happened. I do know they would never condone the behavior of these boys.
Please, please remove Ralph's name from this post and do not associate it with these awful boys and what they did.
Looking forward to attending the many (belligerent teenage boy free) TO's in the future.
Much love,
Michelle
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