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ironhardt
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Joined: Jul 27, 2011
Posts: 3 |  Posted: 2011-07-27 11:09 am Permalink
Sorry I disturbed your forum.
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Chuck Tatum is Tiki
Tiki Socialite
Joined: May 12, 2011
Posts: 1674
From: Southern Cailifornia
| Posted: 2011-07-27 11:13 am Permalink
Uh Oh!
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TIKI DAVID
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Apr 07, 2004
Posts: 1904
From: North Coast
| Posted: 2011-07-27 11:46 am Permalink
is that blood I see in the water ???
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ironhardt
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Joined: Jul 27, 2011
Posts: 3 | Posted: 2011-07-27 11:52 am Permalink
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On 2011-07-27 11:13, Chuck Tatum is Tiki wrote:
Uh Oh!
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Have I done something wrong? It was must first post.
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TIKI DAVID
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Apr 07, 2004
Posts: 1904
From: North Coast
| Posted: 2011-07-27 11:53 am Permalink
batten down Ironhardt,there is a big blow coming,something a kin to a 'WHITE SQUALL'
just hang in there,listen,and when the dust has settled ,just say something like "your coments have been noted ,thanks for the input."
do not try to go head to head with these people,they will eat you alive.
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Loki-Tiki
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Nov 05, 2007
Posts: 150
From: Like...The Valley
| Posted: 2011-07-27 11:54 am Permalink
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On 2011-07-27 11:13, Chuck Tatum is Tiki wrote:
Uh Oh!
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Too funny, that is exactly what I said to myself as I started reading this.
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Chuck Tatum is Tiki
Tiki Socialite
Joined: May 12, 2011
Posts: 1674
From: Southern Cailifornia
| Posted: 2011-07-27 12:06 pm Permalink
I think MadDogMike (TCs Diplomat) should take this one.
Welcome to TC Ironhardt!
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ironhardt
Member
Joined: Jul 27, 2011
Posts: 3 | Posted: 2011-07-27 12:09 pm Permalink
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On 2011-07-27 12:06, Chuck Tatum is Tiki wrote:
I think MadDogMike (TCs Diplomat) should take this one.
Welcome to TC Ironhardt!
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Woops! It's called Bob's Belly.
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TIKI DAVID
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Apr 07, 2004
Posts: 1904
From: North Coast
| Posted: 2011-07-27 12:15 pm Permalink
IRONHARDT,You MUST renounce 'Jimmy Buffet' as 'SATAN'
and accept 'BIGBRO' as your Saviour.
seek out the 'GOOD BOOK'(The Book of TIKI)&the 'GOOD BOOK part 2'(TIKI MODERN)Acquire them read/study them, learn them.
then and only then will there be a chance that you could be saved.
Just my opinion,I could be wrong.
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Sweet Daddy Tiki
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Jul 20, 2003
Posts: 1026
From: Edmonton
| Posted: 2011-07-27 1:59 pm Permalink
Nice pool.
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Bruddah Bear
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Apr 07, 2011
Posts: 566
From: Los Angeles Basin, Westside
| Posted: 2011-07-27 2:01 pm Permalink
ironhardt,
First of all, welcome to Tiki Central, and you do have a very nice bar there. That out of the way, let me say that none of this is meant to be taken personally. Tiki has a certain kind of vibe to it, just as the Beach/Island/Caribbean style has a vibe to it. They are not the same vibe. The Tiki community is a bit protective of Tiki Style, and there are certain things that are and are not Tiki. Buffet and the Beach/Island/Caribbean style are not Tiki.
That does not mean you can't like those styles or Buffet's music, but they have their place, and unfortunately Tiki Central isn't it. As the name implies, Tiki Central is for Tiki. Merely adding some tikis to something that isn't Tiki doesn't make the un-Tiki thing Tiki. Some may try to explain this to you in a more aggressive manner, some in a more friendly and non confrontational manner. You need to understand that there is so much effort out there to include so many things that don't belong to Tiki Style into the Tiki Culture, efforts that begin to further blur the already fuzzy boundaries and dilute Tiki, that the effort to preserve what really IS Tiki has become almost a crusade for some.
Please do stick around, read, learn about and enjoy what Tiki Culture is really about. It's just that Buffet and the Beach/Island/Caribbean style is oil to Tiki's water.
Bear
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bigbrotiki
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 10557
From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
| Posted: 2011-07-27 3:27 pm Permalink
Nicely and simply said, B.B. I just want to add that the need for careful differentiation of the styles lies in the HISTORY of Tiki style. By the 1980s it had fallen so out of fashion that it practically did not exist anymore. Partly responsible for that was that the style had been "watered down" by a need to make it less culturally implicit, (meaning perceived as "racist"), by devolving into more of a GENERIC tropical island theme, as exemplified in the TV show "Fantasy Island" and yes, the music of Jimmy Buffet. To avoid the return of this "everything goes"/"Island Lifestyle" look we are kind of protective of the style. We want to preserve its uniqueness, which got us to fall in love with it in the first place. There is much more to it than brightly colored import store masks and internet store "Tiki Bar" signs.
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MadDogMike
Grand Member (3 years) 
Joined: Mar 30, 2008
Posts: 6389
From: The Anvil of the Sun
| Posted: 2011-07-27 4:34 pm Permalink
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On 2011-07-27 12:06, Chuck Tatum is Tiki wrote:
I think MadDogMike (TCs Diplomat) should take this one.
Welcome to TC Ironhardt!
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 Sorry, I was on the road and I missed it
Looks like Bruddah Bear took care of it for me 
EDIT - For what it's worth, I think everyone showed remarkable restraint here. Sometimes the newbies get hit with both barrels and they don't even know what happened and I feel sorry for them. Of course, the trolls are a different animal altogether and they deserve exactly what they get and more. The hard part is sometimes telling the uneducated newbies from the trolls.
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Hey look, mister. We serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere". Is that clear?
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Bruddah Bear
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Apr 07, 2011
Posts: 566
From: Los Angeles Basin, Westside
| Posted: 2011-07-27 7:43 pm Permalink
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On 2011-07-27 16:34, MadDogMike wrote:
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On 2011-07-27 12:06, Chuck Tatum is Tiki wrote:
I think MadDogMike (TCs Diplomat) should take this one.
Welcome to TC Ironhardt!
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Sorry, I was on the road and I missed it
Looks like Bruddah Bear took care of it for me
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Mike, I attempted to anyway.
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On 2011-07-27 15:27, bigbrotiki wrote:
Nicely and simply said, B.B.
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Thank you, Sven.
I consider that high praise from the man who dug through all the minutiae to attempt to clearly define the boundaries of Tiki for the rest of us. With all the dilution and devolution of Tiki in the '70s and '80s, you are one man who figured out how to nail Jello to a wall.
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On 2011-07-27 11:09, ironhardt wrote:
Sorry I disturbed your forum.
[ This Message was edited by: ironhardt 2011-07-27 16:08 ]
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ironhardt (I hope you're still around to read this},
I wouldn't say disturbed as much as presented an opportunity.
Yes, an opportunity (as long as folks can keep it polite) to discuss, explore, and even learn from each other, just what makes a bar Tiki and what makes a bar Beach/Island/Caribbean (B/I/C). Some of us really enjoy a good philosophical discussion every now and then. I apologize if my post seemed gruff or disturbed by your presence, it wasn't meant that way. I just wanted to explain why your post was getting some of the reactions that it did and to forewarn you that worse could be on the way from... well... let's just say.. less diplomatic members.
The only real difficulty was that (due to being unaware) your bar was posted in the Home Tiki Bars folder but had a more B/I/C look/feel to it, and really, this is due to a few specific elements being present, and other elements not included into the decor. Others have done the same thing, but when TC members attempted to inform or educate them on Tiki Style the members were met with belligerence and a refusal to even acknowledge there was a difference in the styles (prime example here}. Those posters didn't last long.
You, however, were quite different in that you recognized that something was amiss by some of the cryptic replies (thanks guys  ) you received and immediately attempted to make amends. That is at least until you finally found out what the offense (fairly minor one) really was and then took a more drastic but unnecessary measure by deleting your post.
I'm actually quite sorry that you deleted the text of your original post, including taking down your photos. As I said before, it's a very nice bar. It actually has some elements that although are not, in and of themselves, elements traditionally associated with Tiki, yet can work very well with Tiki Style. If (and I do mean "if") you ever wished to change up the focus of your bar to reflect Tiki Style, you have a very good basis to start from.
The fact that your bar gives off a more B/I/C vibe isn't a kiss of death in regard to this forum either, at least not as bad as some earlier posters implied (heck, even MadDogMike was recently chided for posting a pic of a decor element that made his "Leslie's Lanai" look like a cheap Baja Gringo dive. ). We do have a section called Beyond Tiki where topics that don't really fit into Tiki Culture are discussed. I had placed a vote that your thread be moved there where we could continue to discuss your interesting and well constructed bar in a more out of the way folder.
I would seriously encourage you to not give up on this forum (I certainly am not giving up on YOU), I don't wish to change you or your focus, just help you understand what truly is Tiki.
Bear
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Chuck Tatum is Tiki
Tiki Socialite
Joined: May 12, 2011
Posts: 1674
From: Southern Cailifornia
| Posted: 2011-07-27 9:21 pm Permalink
Nicely said everyone, Ironhardt I hope you are still around
you do have a very nice bar setup and if you wanted to make it a more authentic Tiki Bar
then you are in the right place, just check out the home Tiki Bar thread to get an idea
of what it is we do around here, feel free to ask for tips & advice,you will find many helpful
people here including world famous builders & artists.
We are old school here, Think of your Dad's Tiki Bar from the 50s & 60s and you will get an idea of
what we are trying to preserve.
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