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Tiki Tiger Studios: Big long Egyptian trip report!
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Posted: 2013-06-30 07:46 am   Permalink

Looking good Tiger. It may be too late after the paint but steel wool or a small wire brush may help lighten the "burnt toast" if you want. Even if you are not happy with the way this one eventually turns out, it will help you with the next one
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Posted: 2013-06-30 09:35 am   Permalink

Tiger dude- wow, u are busy. Love what you have done with everything.
Keep up the good work.
Your bamboo piece would look great in my home bar "The Honu Hideaway"
Take care, have fun and keep the pics flowing!


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tigertail777
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Posted: 2013-07-11 03:00 am   Permalink

littlegiles: I used to use old glass dishes I found at goodwill. But it was such a pain to scrape off the paint, I got tired of it and tried a cookie sheet... tends to work pretty well; the teflon coating makes it quite a bit easier to get the paint off when the time comes to start over (usually when I have nowhere else to mix a color on the sheet without muddying it with another color). I actually should probably use a different cookie sheet for each type of paint; gouache crumbles off too easy, and acrylic and water based oils peel or stay stuck and need prying more.

Sophistatiki: Thanks! I usually have quite a number of art project "plates" spinning at the same time in case one lags. Drives me crazy to have to wait on something outside of my control for a project to continue. It's gratifying when a project does finally come together.

Wendy (and Dan): Thanks for the compliments Wendy, I don't think I can top the entertainment of the Wendy and Dan show though. I tried to make the studio a fun place I would look forwards to going to, and keep it "special" and focused for my work. It's a dream I have waited so long to come to fruition that I still have a hard time believing it is real even when I am in it.

MDM: Good tip to know! I will keep it in mind if there is a next time. I do want to try and get a better wood burner eventually the working one I have right now is not much better than a soldering iron.

Hang10: Yeah I try to keep busy with my art if I can. Sometimes with my regular joe job (janitorial) I am so exhausted that even on my days off I just can't get up the energy to accomplish much. When I do finally get the inner dynamo going though, there is no stopping me. Glad you like the bamboo, it's been a fun little experiment.

So I have started another art project "plate" spinning again... you might remember the tiki themed tabletop miniature golf I was wanting to create before... well I started on it again. For those that don't know I am a avid fan of miniature golf and my family actually had a portable mini golf course we rented out for parties and events at one time, but it was horribly heavy and difficult to transport since it was made of 2X4's and plywood. Since then I have been wanting to revisit the idea, but in a more manageable way. I came up with the idea of making "micro golf" holes that could fit on top of tables several years ago and figured I would make them of clay that could be cast into molds and then in those molds use a hard light weight spray foam. I had the first hole all sculpted and ready to cast when I discovered the incredible expense it would take to work my plan. So I put it on the back burner and turned over idea after idea of how to accomplish what I wanted: intricately crafted micro golf holes that would be light weight, but still have a little bit of weight/bulk to them so they were not "abused" by playing patrons. I also needed a sculpting material that while strong when dry, would not shrink much in the drying. I finally ran across some stuff online called "Skratch"
http://skratchworks.com/ and it seemed just the ticket: hard and durable but light weight when dry, can be sculpted with fairly minute detail and have sufficient drying time to sculpt those details. It also had to be pretty cheap by the pound because I would need a lot of it. I ordered some and am about to see if it will work.

Meanwhile I stripped my original now neglected clay covered first course hole down to the styrofoam base I had made for it previously. Then I coated it in joint compound mix, because the "Skratch" clay instructions said it would be best so it would have something to cling to, and to prevent warping (skratch doesn't shrink much, just around 10% or less of it's bulk, but it does shrink). Probably won't make a lot of sense to you right now, but it will soon.



The micro course will have the story of a uncharted island home to a previously undiscovered cannibal tribe that have a culture somewhere between Polynesia and Aztec. Over the years many have accidentally landed on the various sides of the island, and there is ample remains of their owners, but every one has never been heard from again. You and your crew came to the island on a life raft after having been involved in a shipwreck, and now must escape the perils of the island.

The first course hole has evidence of previous remains: an old 1600's Galleon's rotting hulk is there on the beach where you land, it obviously encountered something pretty nasty in the ocean as there are gaping holes in it's sides.




It will look a lot more aged once I work on it some more. The hardest part of the holes is done; you see, you will have to putt your ball through the ship holes, and one is a long path to the golf hole, and the other through so channels in the boat will roll down to the backside of the boat and out the backside hole rolling right next to the golf hole. I've always loved "surprise mechanics" in mini golf courses.

I finally found the photos of the original sculpted micro golf, so maybe my crazy idea can be understood better:





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Posted: 2013-07-11 12:11 pm   Permalink

Mini tiki mini golf....mind = blown.

 
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tigertail777
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Posted: 2013-07-19 04:58 am   Permalink

Well first off to blow Haletiki's mind more... A little bit of an update on the tabletop mini golf. The first hole has been re-sculpted for the most part. I gotta order more clay to finish it off then I can paint it and add the "green". I would also like to put fiber optic lighting in eventually, but it may have to wait.

Here is just the course without the galleon ship prop.




Here it is with the ship in temporary position (I still have to build up the lip of the hill leading into the holes in the side).



Here is the backside of the ship resting on the reef. You can just barely see the hole in its hull. If you put into one of the two holes on the front, a series of channels inside the ship will deposit the ball directly into the golf hole for a hole in one.



Now for the squeemish folks who can't stand anything non-tiki I ask you to temporarily leave the room...
I wasn't sure about posting this on here since it is not tiki, but Wendy said I better so she can see the painting I described to her at Tiki Kon that I am making right now, so you can blame Wendy.

First a bit of explanation. I grew up in Coos Bay Oregon for a lot of my younger years, and had the good fortune to get to see a movie theater there of antiquity that made me fall in love with all things Egyptian and nearly spurned me into a archaeology career. This theater was opened in 1925 and is utterly drenched in Art deco Egyptian revival theming. It still is mostly intact inside and is one of only about four Egyptian themed theaters left in the United States. Unfortunately it is currently closed to the public because it needs a lot of renovation to the roof and walls, and they need to raise a considerable amount to be able to get it up to code enough to open again. All the volunteers that are working towards that goal are doing a bang up job, and I wondered if there was anything I could do art wise to help. I pitched the idea to the board of making a painting to sell, and also make prints of it to sell to raise money. So I am now working on the largest canvas I have ever done (24X30) to capture the fantastically tiny details of the interior auditorium. I am trying to portray the opening night of the theatre in 1925, so eventually there will be an audience of flapper women and dapper men along with what is there now. In order to be as authentic as possible I have been doing a lot of back and forth conversations with the older members of the board who can remember details of how things originally looked before time took its toll. There is virtually no photos or other actual evidence of how the interior originally was, so I am having to go partly with detective work and partly guessing although as I said much of it is still intact.

I will link you to their facebook page for most photos, I don't feel comfortable putting up too many here because they had a dispute with their volunteer photographer about the rights. Here is the FB photo album:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151206324019051.467758.233578989050&type=3

I'll post a few though just enough to show you what I am up to. The auditorium still has it's original Wurlitzer organ, and really intricate and beautiful front grills for the organ lofts from which the music would emanate behind.



The first phase was to make a composition layout in photoshop by cobbling together a bunch of photos. I had to scour the net for non official photos because they did not have the angle I was looking for. I wanted to show one of the main side walls with the organ loft, have an audience in their seats in the foreground, show a bit of the theater screen with Charlie Chaplain's "Gold Rush" movie (which opened in 1925 so was a pretty safe bet it was there for opening night), and have it all be in slightly forced perspective. I really wanted to convey the immensity of the place by having one of the main stage pillars looming in front. Here is the quickly cobbled together "blueprint" for the painting.



Next I had to try and get all those angles worked out correctly, and get the most important part proportioned right: the pillar. All other measurements and spacing would emanate from that one point so it was crucial it be as correct as possible.



You can see here how I am using the dividing bands on the pillar to measure space and placement of the other details.



See all that insane detail? Well, like it or not it has to be sketched out before it can be painted. I started on that tonight and got pretty far. Apologies for all the bad photos, very difficult to photograph fine pencil lines.





The little tramp by himself...



More details...



This is without a doubt going to be the most challenging painting I have ever done. The perspective is already making me insane. But I also know once I get down to the painting it will also be one heck of a lot of fun. Sorry for the non-tiki interruption. I figured it would be too large of a jump from saving urban tiki temples to saving urban Egyptian temples. For those in lack of tiki shock, we now return you to your regularly scheduled program.




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Posted: 2013-07-20 8:59 pm   Permalink

Wow wow wow, that is so impressive. We went to Coos Bay on our way home and we found the theater. Here's some photos that I took of the place. Also note: VampiressRN and Dan and I have Egyptian master bedrooms. Doesn't that make them tiki enough?




Dan, tigertail777 and myself (Wendy).


Kari of Tiki News Magazine and tigertail777



We loved hanging out with you at Tiki Kon. Keep showing the painting its going to be terrific. You are a great guy, Wendy

_PS the golf course is really fun too


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tigertail777
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Posted: 2013-07-21 04:48 am   Permalink

Thanks for those great photos Wendy! Makes me a little homesick for Coos Bay. Well, I guess if it's good enough for Wendy then it's tiki enough.

A little progress, I sketched out some basic seating areas and then got bored with it so I decided to start on the painting part and worry about doing the audience when the time comes.

Got a fair amount of progress done tonight, and as I left the studio around 4 am I saw a little visitor.

I wanted to start on the pillar since it is the central focus, and wanted to figure out some of the light sources since its going to be a fairly dark picture.





Then I knew that the movie screen would be one of the main light sources so I concentrated on that part. I tried to give it a little bit of a squished look because of the angle. I need to do some corrections to his eyes though I didn't quite capture that Chaplin "look" I wanted. Plus I want the finished screen to have a softer and brighter look.



Close up


And now the little visitor I saw as I left out the door. I am okay with these things being off to the side so long as they don't get on ME. Besides I have been having an insect pest problem lately that this will help sort out. Warning to the squeemish... it has eight legs and spins webs. Not sure if this particular one is poisonous, but it was fairly big.





And that's it for the Tigertail show for now.







 
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MadDogMike
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Posted: 2013-07-21 07:40 am   Permalink

WOW, that's gonna be quite a painting Tiger. Looks like it should keep you busy for a while, hope it turns out just like you envision it.
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Posted: 2013-07-21 09:49 am   Permalink

Hi tigertail777 I would be more afraid of the mosquito. We have West Nile Virus here, one bite and you bite the dust, maybe for good.

What I have to say about your painting is talent, talent, talent and you have an abundance. I'm enjoying the step by steps more than I can express. The people who are trying to save the theater are going to love it too.

(((((: Wendy
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tigertail777
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Posted: 2013-07-21 11:04 pm   Permalink

MDM: Thanks, I hope it turns out how I want it too.

Wendy: Thanks you are too kind. I hope they love it however...

I just had one of the older board members contact me, and told me an interesting tidbit of historical info I wish I possessed before I started painting. It seems the pillars were moved in the 1950s to their current position due to theater screens becoming wider. So the original position would have been much farther into the arches to frame a more square screen. I am waiting for a reply, but I may have to start over on the pillar and move it. These kinds of things make me want to scream, but at the same time I want it to be as authentic as I can to help preserve history.


 
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Posted: 2013-07-23 6:58 pm   Permalink

tigertail777 history is re-written all the time. I wouldn't think that moving the pillars back would be necessary. I personally like how your painting looks as is, really just make it the best you can which will be terrific.

An art instructor once told me that making decisions is the hardest part of art and I've found that to be true. Finishing this is more important than moving a pillar.

I'm looking forward to the next step, Wendy
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tigertail777
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Posted: 2013-07-28 05:08 am   Permalink

Well, Wendy I understand what you are saying and if it was a fantasy painting I would agree. However, this is to preserve history and the little bit of an archaeologist in me screams against changing things. I did actually want to be an archaeologist once, and even took a few preliminary classes and had discussion about my aspirations with an archaeologist professor. One thing he said that really stuck with me is: "never change the facts of what you find to fit your hypothesis. Our profession is one of discovering and preserving the past. Do not intentionally rewrite history, there are already enough revisions of history through accident." I am already appalled at how little documentation there is on the past of this theatre, I would be ashamed to add to any future historian's distorted knowledge of the truth. So to the best of my ability I will document through my painting how the theatre originally looked. This of course means I will need to continue doing detective work to piece together how it must have looked.

Besides the stage originally had a very time period specific design when the pillars were in their original place. It formed an older type of stage with what is called a proscenium arch. This means that an archway with sides was designed to frame in the active part of the stage. It isn't used much anymore because it often would leave open wings where you could see the actors "backstage" which is where the term "breaking the fourth wall" comes from. To give some idea, here is another restored Egyptian Theatre in Boise Idaho that also has a proscenium arch:
http://www.egyptiantheatre.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Egyptian-Theatre-1-of-1-2.jpg

In the case of Egyptian style it is especially important because it copies the actual look of papyrus pillars as they are found in egypt with a load bearing cross piece resting on the pillars. You can still see some of these intact in Karnak. http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/2b0256b2-2d38-47bb-a25a-02333d41e68d.jpg

That is my long winded way of saying I will be changing the pillar.

Meanwhile, I decided to work on the other aspects of the painting that I am near 100% certain are correct in their depiction. Which is mainly the organ loft. I do know now that the bottom half of the wall beneath the organ loft was painted over at some point, and memories of people seem to point to water damage via a flooding problem. I am not sure, but I think I may have discovered some traces of what may have been painted on the walls before the repainting through blowing up some of the photos and messing around with contrast and such in photoshop. So I may have to make an educated guess on what was there since no one remembers.

And I really do not know why I never thought to do this before, but I took a page from Brad (tiki shark) Parker's current painting project and outlined all the details in paint first. Normally I just plunge ahead with filling in the darks and lights and generally drive myself crazy (case in point the mermaid painting at the very beginning of this thread). With outlining in paint I can see much clearer the details and whether anything is "off". I think I may do this trick from now on it really came in handy.






Then I started filling in the pure black recesses between the wood carved parts of the organ loft.




It was at this stage that I really started to appreciate the incredible motif details incorporated into the organ loft carving. I love the lotus flowers at the top and the clever snake head canopic jars. Actually, those are probably a vulture and snake head to represent the rule of upper and lower Egypt as was on the head piece of Tutankhamen, but it is difficult to tell from the photos due to the fine detail. Even blowing the picture up doesn't reveal precisely what type of canopic jars, but I am betting they are probably trying to depict kings head jars (which never had the snakes/vultures, but could be a "westernized" art deco style interpretation). OR, they are Duamutef jackal head jars and those things that look like snakes in the photos are actually ears like here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/CanopicJarsOfNeskhons-BritishMuseum-August21-08.jpg I am going to assume most folks know what canopic jars are, but in case you don't they were used to store the sacred "innards" of the mummies. The reasoning behind it all is much more complex of course. I am not sure what the other pattern below the jars is, unless it is just echoing the shape of the harp. It could be some actual Egyptian design though, since the large majority of the rest of the theatre designs are based on real ones. Difficult to tell sometimes where the "real" thing is, and where the art deco stylization starts.

Then I started in on the color. This is basic under colors though so be aware that it is just a starting point. I always try to make my under colors very bright and then dim them down with layers over them. I don't like starting dark and going light because for me at least, it tends to muddy the colors and dim down the parts I DO want bright too much.




With the outlining before painting technique, I was able to see some of my perspective was a bit off. I am trying to pull off a very tricky slightly forced perspective (in a corner no less). I see I am going to have to completely redo the harp strings as the spacing between them is all wrong and ruins the illusion, as well as some of the stripe decor. Stripes are difficult normally, but to do them in forced perspective.... I must be insane to attempt this. There really is no other explanation.

Okay, until next time... walk like an Egyptian my tiki friends!

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Posted: 2013-07-28 07:51 am   Permalink

This is the most impressive project that I've had the honor of witnessing. I don't think you are insane instead you are a great contributor to the success of this project of saving the theater.
I really appreciate watching you work. Wendy
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Posted: 2013-07-28 6:55 pm   Permalink

I'm really impressed by your dedication to history and detail in in this project. Great work and I am anxious to see the final .... Gene

 
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tigertail777
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Posted: 2013-07-29 06:25 am   Permalink

Thanks for the kind words Wendy and Gene, really appreciate them.

well once the tiger has his fires lit he has a hard time stopping. I got more work done on two projects: the cannibal art swap piece, and more on the Egyptian one. Trouble is time has no meaning for me once I start I just now left the studio and have not gone to bed yet. I will right after this post.

First off... the cannibal art swap which was my first time carving anything of a wood variety, namely bamboo I had leftover from the studio build. If I do anything more with the dremel tool I am going to have to get the easier to handle extension that the people in the swap thread recommended because once again my hand went numb working on this. I decided to go easy though and just do basic sort of line art carves except for the little skulls on the border which were fairly easy with a different broader dremel tip. I have always liked the look of bone scrimshaw art so thought it would be relatively easy to emulate that and have a nice piece.
First I carved deeper on the border I already carved, and added the little skull border.




Then I added another border of tapa and skull designs on the top to balance it out... but my hand simply could not take the intricate detail I did on the bottom so it had to be simplified.



After the carving was done I added a light wash of brown acrylic paint which I rubbed into the grooves and wiped off the excess while still wet with a paper towel. This created the scrimshaw effect I was going for.




The top looked awfully simple compared to the bottom, so to make it seem more complex I added the same red paint in spots as what I used for around the shrunken head. After that to balance it I added a little more red spots to the bottom design.




And... viola! It is done. I am still not sure if I should leave it as is, or turn it into something more utilitarian like a desk caddy... although it would be an awful tall caddy. Also I am not sure if I should seal with anything and if so... what?



Now... time to cross over the desert sands again...

I started trying to work out more of the light sources and dark areas on the Egyptian painting. Especially the lit exit sign above the doorway arch. There are several light sources to consider; the fake lamp torch lights above the first level pillars, the over all house lights way up above near the ceiling (these probably would not be lit during a show, but I need as much lighting as I can muster to show the details) the little side lights on the end of the seat aisles, and of course the projected light of the movie on the screen which is the main light source. Several of these will have bounced secondary light in pooled areas. Because it is a dark scene though, it will have a film noir sort of look where the light bounces off edges of objects and not all edges will be clearly discernible.

Here is the main part I was working out the lighting on...



The main exit door close up.



And the organ loft.



And since I have already broken tiki taboo by not exclusively having tiki art, I may as well go straight to tiki hell and show off my current baseball card size pieces of work themed to 80's arcade games that are up on ebay for sale right now ( I know I am such a shill).



The centipede one is my favorite.



Come on down to carny huckster Tigertail's auction and let me get you into a fine new little pocket painting (run tiki faithful RUN! They have nothing to do with tiki! You have been warned!)
From that one auction you can view the other six if you look at the other stuff I am currently peddling.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321172370284?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

Until next time when we once again cross the desert sands and view the ancient tombs of splendor, tiki friends.













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