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thePorpoise
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|  Posted: 2011-08-05 12:09 pm Permalink
I recently came across the recipe for TV's Eastern Sour, which looked to me like a whiskey version of a scorpion bowl recipe. Tried it out, and the Eastern Sour indeed tasted pretty much just like a Scorpion Bowl.
this gave me the idea that whiskey may work well as a substitute for rum in some tiki drinks, especially those drinks that are heavy in juice and liqueur components. I'm low on rum right now, but well-supplied in bourbon, so i'm going to experiment around with this.
the first drink i've tried out worked very well-- the Painkiller. Used Jack Daniels in lieu of a gold/dark rum, and the flavor profile changed very little (I typically use 2 oz booze in my painkiller).
any ideas for other rum tiki drinks that would work well using whiskey instead?
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JOHN-O
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| Posted: 2011-08-05 12:23 pm Permalink
I've had the Eastern Sour. Great drink !! Even better is the Bourbon Special (IMHO).
It's a vintage drink that was served at (Steve Crane's) Kon-Tiki. Here's the recipe from (Beachbum Berry) "Remixed"...
.50 oz fresh lime juice
.25 oz sugar syrup
.25 oz falernum
.75 oz ginger beer
1.50 oz Bourbon
Dash Angostura bitters
Shake with ice cubes and pour unstrained into an old-fashioned glass
I like Knob Creek as a mixer (a good rye is even better).
There's also the Western Sour from the Kon-Tiki. I'll make you buy "Remixed" for that one. 
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gabbahey
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| Posted: 2011-08-05 12:57 pm Permalink
I've never substituted it for the rum but a friend who was moving left me the remains of his liquor cabinet. I got in the habit of floating a half ounce of johnny walker to class up pretty much any tiki drink. You can definately tell it is there. Navy grog takes it well.
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MadDogMike
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| Posted: 2011-08-05 1:26 pm Permalink
"substituting whiskey for rum in some of the tiki drinks"
Careful there Flipper, that smacks of heresy here   
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thePorpoise
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| Posted: 2011-08-09 10:55 pm Permalink
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On 2011-08-05 13:26, MadDogMike wrote:
"substituting whiskey for rum in some of the tiki drinks"
Careful there Flipper, that smacks of heresy here
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well, had my first Honi Honi, which is a Mai Tai using bourbon in lieu of rum.
so even Trader Vic thought of this topic!
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Chuck Tatum is Tiki
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| Posted: 2011-08-09 11:11 pm Permalink
Lets just replace our Tikis with clown masks then, Can someone please bring thePorpoise
back to Tikiland now?
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MadDogMike
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| Posted: 2011-08-10 07:31 am Permalink
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On 2011-08-09 22:55, thePorpoise wrote:
well, had my first Honi Honi, which is a Mai Tai using bourbon in lieu of rum.
so even Trader Vic thought of this topic!
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OK, then I guess it's legit, just don't start substituting vodka!
But-
 Whatcha gonna do
When the whiskey ain't working no more
and life don't feel like before
Whatcha gonna do?
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Swanky
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| Posted: 2011-08-10 07:50 am Permalink
Actually, I think the sub is better on drinks that feature the rum, like a Mai Tai.
Give this a try:
Make a classic Mai Tai (easy on the lime) and use St. James H'ors d'age and Glenlivet 12 YO. I think they work well together and for the Scotch Whisky drinker, this is a winner.
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GentleHangman
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| Posted: 2011-08-10 09:18 am Permalink
I've done that! It makes for a very different but unusually fine drink! A lot of smokey wood flavor, but if you drink The Glenlivet anyway you'll appreciate the pairing with St. James Hors D'Age. I generally use between .5 and .75 oz. of fresh lime.
What's missing though is a name for this drink. I call it "The Braveheart Mai Tai"
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Chuck Tatum is Tiki
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| Posted: 2011-08-10 09:55 am Permalink
Never mind the Tiki Cocktail purists, The top shelf Whiskey drinkers out there (Most of them probably our Dads)
will not only bitch slap, but spit on you for mixing any good whiskey with fruit juices!
and a 
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JOHN-O
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| Posted: 2011-08-10 10:39 am Permalink
Yeah but Chuck, that same thinking would also apply to aged rum. I wouldn't used El Dorado 25-year (or even 15-year) in a Mai Tai. Those rums were meant to be enjoyed neat just like single-barrel Bourbon.
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Chuck Tatum is Tiki
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| Posted: 2011-08-10 11:06 am Permalink
El Dorado 25-year & Coke, yum.
Still have some El Dorado 25-year waiting for you John!
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Mr. NoNaMe
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Posts: 1866 | Posted: 2011-08-10 11:22 am Permalink
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On 2011-08-10 07:31, MadDogMike wrote:
OK, then I guess it's legit, just don't start substituting vodka!
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Bali Hai serves vodka mai tais.
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thePorpoise
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| Posted: 2011-08-10 11:30 am Permalink
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Bali Hai serves vodka mai tais.
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apparently, the new Trader Vic's in Sarasota does as well. (and also has a "guava mai tai," "mango tai," and "maui mai tai" per their menu).
Hoping to make my first visit there sometime soon.
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Swanky
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| Posted: 2011-08-10 11:35 am Permalink
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On 2011-08-10 10:39, JOHN-O wrote:
Yeah but Chuck, that same thinking would also apply to aged rum. I wouldn't used El Dorado 25-year (or even 15-year) in a Mai Tai. Those rums were meant to be enjoyed neat just like single-barrel Bourbon.
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Yes, and no... Look at what Vic was putting in the original Mai Tai. Wray and Nephew 17 YO was it? So, the good rum. But the way most people make their Mai Tai's, you are right.
I make my Mai Tai so that you can and should taste the booze and it makes a difference what it is. Most people make Mai Tais that feature lime juice and syrup, mine features good Martinique rum and good Jamaican rum, or, good Scotch Whisky.
In my book, if you can't taste the booze in a Mai Tai, and I mean really taste it, you are making it wrong and poorly. If you make a Mai Tai with top shelf booze and average shelf booze and no one knows much difference, you are not doing it right.
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