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lucas vigor
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From: SOCAL
Posted: 2011-12-19 11:22 am   Permalink

Seems like there is not much going on here as before. Am I imagining it? Is it the fault of "purists" like myself? Should we have welcomed with open arms the carribean buffeteers, party city and Shaka-Brah hawaiiana people?

In my defense, the original concept of tiki as laid down by Sven and others was cool enough for me...I never felt we needed to widen the tent to include all the other stuff...but maybe I was wrong? I am not saying I like any of that stuff....but man, it seems like a ghost town around all parts of this forum except the collecting section. Is it just my imagination?

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AlohaStation
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Joined: Sep 27, 2004
Posts: 2404
From: So FL
Posted: 2011-12-19 11:28 am   Permalink

SpaceBook - happened. Same effect on Forums all over the web.

 
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Chuck Tatum is Tiki
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Joined: May 12, 2011
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From: Southern Cailifornia
Posted: 2011-12-19 11:56 am   Permalink

Nope, I am seeing it also, very little interaction on TC
low attendance at most events and shows
little support for the Artists and Bands in the scene

There is a small core group that that makes it to everything
they can, you peoples know who you are & represent the true meaning of Tiki.
But with the economy the way it is,I know that is a factor also.

I think TC has been a bit of a Ghost Town as of late, Lucas.
But we don't need to add subjects on the peripheral of Tiki
we just need more positive participation.


 
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Limbo Lizard
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Joined: Aug 24, 2006
Posts: 779
From: Aboard the 'Leaky Tiki', Dallas
Posted: 2011-12-19 12:00 pm   Permalink

If memory serves, it gets this way, between Thanksgiving and new Years, every year. A lot of people are rushing around, and make only hit-and-run visits to T.C. It'll pick back up after the holidays.

 
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lucas vigor
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Joined: May 12, 2004
Posts: 4090
From: SOCAL
Posted: 2011-12-19 12:11 pm   Permalink

Maybe, but the "drought" seems to have begun long before this holiday season began. It's true what CTIT says, though.

I can't help but think that because a lot of us (myself included) stuck to our guns, we chased those that brought (for example) pictures of their party city tiki bar set-up only to be ridiculed. Instead of sticking around and learning something, they took one look and never came back. Can't say as I blame them.

On one hand, I am perfectly happy to keep tiki for myself, and not share with anyone else. But on the other hand, maybe some of those people could have been a fresh infusion? I blame myself, partly.


 
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bigbrotiki
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 11594
From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
Posted: 2011-12-19 12:17 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2011-12-19 11:28, AlohaStation wrote:
SpaceBook - happened. Same effect on Forums all over the web.



Vey true. Facebook simply is the much quicker and easier reward. Whenever I post a link to a thread I did on TC on Facebook, I get 10 times more reactions than here.

Popular culture is in an ever-accelerating spiral of quick rewards and fast thrills, becoming more superficial in the process. Beginning with the manic speed of cutting music videos, newer generations were raised on this diet of speedy content and visuals. It is much faster to click on "Like", or write ONE funny line, than do in-depth research and scan images and put a coherent post together. That's falling out of fashion.

Plus, the Tiki Revival has already lasted a long time. After the 90s Tiki underground, the early to mid-2000s saw serious Tiki culture archeology parallel to an explosion of new Tiki art and the Tiki event scene. In the later half of the 2000s the Tiki scene was re-invigorated from the inside by the craft cocktail revival, but the awareness of the art and style aspects leveled out, or even shrank (I am excluding the hardcore followers on TC and elsewhere of course). But 10 years is a pretty long time for any fashion to last.

On one hand it is simply not as NEW, and unique as it was when there was little of it around, on the other it takes serious interest to get into it and understand it. While the information is all out there, now more readily available than ever, it's a big heap of stuff to wade through (just take Tiki Central). And the in-availability of my books ain't helping. The lack of a coherent, in-depth context and understanding of its cultural background is leading to a two-dimensional image of Tiki nowadays, which puts it into just another category of the many pop cultures.

For a pop culture to continue to exist, the Tiki revival has simply not been able to prove enough commercial expansion potential. It has established Tiki in the pantheon of popular culture (as opposed to having been completely forgotten before) and will live on for sure, but as a subculture of the ones who love and understand it...and maybe there will be another revival sometime.


 
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hoody
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Joined: Aug 01, 2007
Posts: 10
From: Torquay Tiki Club, Australia
Posted: 2011-12-19 12:18 pm   Permalink

Well - there are probably a lot of us tiki voyeurs out their too....watching TC with interest and care, but not active in the discussions.

My kiddlings who are nine and eleven years old, love everything tiki. A new generation!

Here is a photo of their tiki garden... my little bloke designed the surfing tiki god when he was seven, and a local mate had a go at carving it for him. My little girl put image to music with her song Tiki Tiki Wa Wa (may post separately if people are interested). Not too bad for a couple of kids.



We're madly getting ready for a tiki New Year Party, where there will be 30-40 kids (and associated adults) enjoying mocktails and cocktails till dawn or bed - whichever comes first. We will be chanting the Tiki Tiki Wa Wa round the firepit.

Tiki dying, certainly not, at least not in Aust. If anything, its still in revival. TC is probably just in a lull...

Keep up the great posts - love the ecommunity. Love the artists - wish I was artistic. Marketplace is terrific - so sad that postage is prohibitively expensive to Aust.

Hoody


 
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lucas vigor
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From: SOCAL
Posted: 2011-12-19 12:24 pm   Permalink

Tis' true, there are many "stealth" Tiki lurkers out there. Just the other day, I was watching the Eddie Murphy "Haunted Mansion" DVD, and there is that scene in the tiki bar....and what a tiki bar it is! Turns out, that was no set, but a tiki bar that is in the home of one of the producers of the film. Now, that person (to my knowledge) has never posted here...there could be many more out there that just never come to this forum.
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Chuck Tatum is Tiki
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From: Southern Cailifornia
Posted: 2011-12-19 1:01 pm   Permalink

The more I think about it, yes Lucas it is your fault

Sven has pointed out some good reasons why popular culture has, to be polite
no sense of history, I have tried to explain to many younger people
what Mid Century Modern design was all about (which is the genesis of my love of Tiki)
only to get empty stares in return, this current generation does not seem to care about much more
then the next iPhone & new flavores of Vodka, Don't get me started.....



 
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Swanky
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Joined: Apr 03, 2002
Posts: 5316
From: Hapa Haole Hideaway, TN
Posted: 2011-12-19 1:12 pm   Permalink

We need a "Like" button here so we can all give "Feedback" that is far less than a "Reply". Might give a better hint as to actual participation here.

I think the Tiki nerds are becoming a smaller and smaller group here. It seems Tiki Oasis gets bigger every year, but a nerdy presentation like mine this year probably drew as many people as it would have 5 or 10 years ago.

And it certainly has to do with basic time expenditure. I happen to make it a habit to come here near daily. But I also read a bunch of blogs, and go through FB, etc. daily. All of us nerds are getting more in our lives that make us pick where we spend time.

My idea a bit ago was to repost the nerdy stuff from here on my blog so those with less time for TC can keep up with the hidden gems. There is a FB TC place where people might do the same thing. A nice TC "nerd filter" would help.

I am regualrly shocked when someone like Duke posts here and I think, man, he lives! How did he find that thread?

"Cool and Current" is NOT the answer.

An "Un-cool and Nerdy" list would be better.

And it would help if BoT was still easily available for $25.
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bigbrotiki
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 11594
From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
Posted: 2011-12-19 1:28 pm   Permalink

It's not only the price, but distribution and exposure. Once it is not on the book table anymore, and not on the shelf either, it has practically disappeared from public awareness. It's publish or perish alright. Meanwhile the publishing world is in turmoil because of threat of electronic media combined with the recession, and it is getting harder and harder to get a book printed. A dear friend of mine just had his new book cancelled, and that after having two successful books published previously with the same publisher. And that book is ready, written and photographed!

I just feel fortunate that I got Tiki Modern out in the nick of time, a while back my publisher told me he never would have put it out in this current climate. We are all contributing to the cultural demise by buying cheaper stuff, using electronic media, and showing we can work for less. These are interesting times.


 
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TikiTomD
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Joined: Sep 20, 2009
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From: Flagler Beach, FL
Posted: 2011-12-19 1:33 pm   Permalink

Regarding Swanky's point on the Book of Tiki availability / affordability, is it possible that it might someday be reincarnated as an eBook?

-Tom


 
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bigbrotiki
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
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From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
Posted: 2011-12-19 1:50 pm   Permalink

I just like the tactile experience of a real book better - but that is already changing for the new generations of consumers, so I would not be opposed to it.

But: An e-book version would only make sense if I could add all the links I possibly could to each chapter, of unpublished material, of music and video clips - like many of the posts I have done here. But then, that amount of additional work would be staggering, how could that be possibly made worth my time? That is a real dilemma: While the interactive multi-media potential of e-books is seemingly unlimited, they are expected to cost less.


 
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Chuck Tatum is Tiki
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From: Southern Cailifornia
Posted: 2011-12-19 1:55 pm   Permalink

I was just going to bounce the same question TikiTom just asked off Sven
its all about the iPad & Kindle etc. a downloadable version of the BOT
would also add a bit to your income Sven, so a little incentive?

It's all about getting the word out there.


 
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bigtikidude
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Joined: Aug 10, 2004
Posts: 9219
From: Anaheim,Ca.
Posted: 2011-12-19 1:57 pm   Permalink

I wouldn't quite say these are interesting times.
I would say they are kinda scary times.
And People are reacting to the times differently.

1.Some are going into Ostrich mode, and sticking their heads in the sand.
(the ones who keep on going out and drinking and partying like there is no tomorrow)

2.Some are going into hibernating mode.
(staying home and hunkering down,aka not doing tiki events,saving money,drinking less)

3. and the 3rd, is kinda in the middle,
(doing some stuff, and buying some things, but very choosey, aka best bang for the buck)

I say that the economy is partly to do with the downturn of people at some events.
But I also know that some of the old school tiki peeps are not crazy about the influx of tiki newbies,(that may not always be as educated about tiki as the older ones). But there is no doubt, that the rent, and bills are always more important than a silly tiki fad.

As for lack of participation here on TC and other Forums,
Sven said it at least a year ago or more, that Facebook etc.... would be the demise of TC and other forums.
I admit that I am not the most contributing member to TC, in the way that most people think what contributing means. But I do appreciate the work that goes into documenting all of the old stuff. But JP has told me that I contribute in my on way, and that some people appreciate it.
I think its sad that the world is coming to a
(Like and not like button pushing mentality)
I'll admit that the connecting to other people, and the benefit of publicizing stuff on there is an upside.
But the downside is the lack of actual content, and discussion.
I keep hoping that people will get tired of it, and come back here.
But I am losing my faith, and in society in general.

on a darker note,
I wonder if it could be tied into the (supposed end of the world in Dec. 2012)?
and people are just kind of pulling back into their own little shells,
and getting ready.
It seems like the planet at a whole is charging full steam ahead,
into wanting to end itself in a year.

We don't have to prove the prophecy true.
but I think we are to stupid to realize we have a choice in the outcome.
if we can take 5 min. to pull our heads out of our asses.


Happy Holidays everybody.

Jeff(btd)


 
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