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The Witch Doctor has paid me back! - All is good in the land of Tiki.
strangedaisy
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Posted: 2012-08-28 09:08 am   Permalink

Before I get to the details, let me inform you that I've bought a mug from THE WITCH DOCTOR (aka Crazy Johnny) before and it was a great transaction. I love my shrunken head mug that I got from him. I didn't expect that my next transaction with him would have been such a terrible experience.

Back in the beginning of May 2012 I ordered an Indiana Jones - Golden Idol mug from The Witch Doctor. I sent him $88 (mug + shipping) via PayPal. Immediately after sending the funds to his account (actually he later told me it was his girlfriend's account), I realized that I was pulling funds out of a bank account that had no money in it. I promptly emailed him and asked him to see if he got money on his end. PayPal didn't immediately reject the payment so I was counting on communication with him to avoid over paying. He never got back with me in a reasonable amount of time, and the later on PayPal told me that the payment was rejected. So, I then payed again, this time with the correct bank account. I later come to find out that the original payment of $88 actually went through. So, in the end, I ended up paying $176 for a mug that took two months to get to me. Also, Johnny said there was going to be a money order enclosed with my mug. Lies! I asked him several times to send me the money via PayPal, but he keeps coming up with excuses. So as of August 1st, it would have been three months that he still hasn't paid me back.

I have sent so many personal messages to THE WITCH DOCTOR via this site and I've kept my text conversations with him for my records. Below is a link where you can read what we've been texting back and forth. It's a little long, but you'll see how ridiculous this has gotten. If I had a dollar for every excuse he's made, I'd have my money back by now!



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White Devil
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Posted: 2012-08-28 09:48 am   Permalink

My first transaction with Witch Doctor had a few hitches as well, but with a little applied patience we got it all ironed out, and many successful purchases have followed. I've found him to be a straight-shooter, albeit a harried self-employed mug-maker with occasionally undependable help. Don't let your mouth get ahead of your brain in the midst of misunderstandings, and there's a chance to overcome them. Most of the independent artists here are one-man bands, not amazon.com, so you sometimes have to remember that it is what it is.

    
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TikiVato
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Joined: Mar 03, 2009
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From: Whittier, CA
Posted: 2012-08-28 09:52 am   Permalink

I know you're not laughing but those emails between you two, now that's some funny shit, Good luck.
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Trad'r Bill
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From: Hercules, CA
Posted: 2012-08-28 12:05 pm   Permalink

Similar story with me - I just opened a PayPal dispute. I don't like to do this but I have been getting the run-around for about four months. I've given WD many opportunities to send me my mug, but no luck.

I suggest you also open a dispute with PayPal. They will shut down his account if he receives multiple complaints.


 
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strangedaisy
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Posted: 2012-08-28 12:16 pm   Permalink

I did actually file a dispute on PayPal. I perhaps waited too long. I waited in good faith that he'd come though so I didn't try to get his account shut down or anything, as I realize he's an artist, etc.

Also, PayPal wasn't much help in the beginning either. They told me that my account was -$88 and that they'd send my account into collections if I didn't correct the problem. This was after I talked to another representative who told me not worry about it, and that it won't go into collections. I wasn't going to mess around, so I just deposited money into the account to return it to a $0 balance.


 
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Swanky
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Posted: 2012-08-28 12:25 pm   Permalink

So you are in G'burg? Small world. Holla and come visit the Hideaway some time. I'll help you drown your sorrows...
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Tiki Kaimuki
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Joined: Sep 25, 2006
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From: OAKLAND, baby
Posted: 2012-08-28 12:28 pm   Permalink

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On 2012-08-28 09:48, White Devil wrote:
Don't let your mouth get ahead of your brain in the midst of misunderstandings, and there's a chance to overcome them. Most of the independent artists here are one-man bands, not amazon.com, so you sometimes have to remember that it is what it is.




As an "independent artist" who does everything himself, I will say that if this claim is true it is completely unacceptable and the "mouth get ahead of your brain" comment is pretty lame. You don't take someone's money and then fail to send a product or refund, PERIOD.
A customer should not have to hound you for something they paid for. It's not just weak customer service it's a weak way to exist.
I've had to deal with this type of nonsense with some small record labels and it can get really frustrating when you try in good faith to keep things civil. Hopefully this will all work out for everyone involved.


 
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croe67
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From: Land of Cheese & Beer
Posted: 2012-08-28 12:40 pm   Permalink

I'm also out from a Paypal payment sent January 2012 months ago.

He claimed to have sent the package & was looking into it with the post office since May 15th, but my last few PMs to him have been read, but not replied to.

I have purchased an item or 2 from him in the past with no problems, which is why I was hesitant to post my problem here & try to resolve via PMs.

I do not understand why he is reading, but not replying to my PMs & right now I am out the $40 & not happy about it. At all.

Here's hoping the Witch Doctor makes right by us.


 
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strangedaisy
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Posted: 2012-08-28 1:24 pm   Permalink



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Creative Chimp
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Posted: 2012-08-28 1:30 pm   Permalink

Quote:

"mouth get ahead of your brain" comment is pretty lame. You don't take someone's money and then fail to send a product or refund, PERIOD.



very true my man......well said.....LAME!

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strangedaisy
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Posted: 2012-08-28 1:33 pm   Permalink

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On 2012-08-28 12:40, croe67 wrote:
I have purchased an item or 2 from him in the past with no problems, which is why I was hesitant to post my problem here & try to resolve via PMs.



I was also hesitant, that's why I waited three months to post anything on the forum. I have slews of PMs I've sent to him, he responds with excuses and "I'll pay ya soons." I'd hate for someone to go through this as it's a huge waste of my time trying to get my money back. I really don't expect a refund (but I'll gladly accept it) but at least I'm getting the word out to watch out. I'm not surprised to see people come out with problems also. I think I'll start a support group, we'll meet Wednesday nights at 7pm.


 
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White Devil
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Posted: 2012-08-28 1:42 pm   Permalink

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very true my man......well said.....LAME!



I'm not defending dishonest dealings, merely pointing out that sometimes they're the result of disorganization, not dishonesty. Running the mouth before the brain's in gear is a symptomatic problem all over internet forums, not just here. The knee-jerk vitriol spewed on newbies is just one example, and has a lot to do with why you see so few original TCers posting here. In short: grow up, folks.


    
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tikiskip
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Posted: 2012-08-28 1:46 pm   Permalink

In my mind the sale is not done till the customer gets the product AND is happy.
That's a lot of steps between making, selling, shipping.
It is the reason I don't sell lot o stuff, too much work.
But ya can't leave people hangin in this message in a second world.


 
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lunavideogames
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Joined: May 09, 2012
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From: San Diego
Posted: 2012-08-28 2:21 pm   Permalink

Quote from the Witch Doctor:
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If anyone thinks i'm "ripping them off" please call me 706-951-7565
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I have sent him money and I haven't received any mugs yet either. I still have faith in him to come through. I talked to Smokin Tikis at the Oasis and he says that the Witch Doctor works on his own schedule. He started to carry some of his mugs, but he said he had to keep on him about getting him to ship the mugs. It seems like a big ordeal to me to have to man this operation with just one person.

I would not like to get my money stolen, but I would much rather have the awesome mugs that the Witch Doctor makes than the money, that is why I paid him. I will wait patiently for my mugs and I hope that he comes through for all of us.


 
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White Devil
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Posted: 2012-08-28 2:31 pm   Permalink

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I would not like to get my money stolen, but I would much rather have the awesome mugs that the Witch Doctor makes than the money, that is why I paid him. I will wait patiently for my mugs and I hope that he comes through for all of us.



Applause!


    
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