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New mug from Trader Sam's?
King Bushwich the 33rd
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Posted: 12 days ago; 5:17 pm   Permalink

News Story
Disney fans line up early to score holiday Tiki mug


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AceExplorer
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Posted: 12 days ago; 9:16 pm   Permalink

Full text of the article is pasted here - for future reference because these articles eventually expire and go away. I also pasted a couple of the mug photos.


Trader Sam’s Enchanted Tiki Bar sells this limited first edition Jingle Cruise-themed holiday mug. People waited in line at 3 a.m., according to collector Matthew Morrison of Placentia. It was initially sold at adjoining Tangaroa Terrace for $20 without a drink (only sold the next day with drink for $25 ) on Thurs., Nov. 30. Guests can purchase two of the first edition tiki mugs. The white-boxed mug had to be purchased in order for guests to see what they were getting. The small holiday tiki mug release picture outside the Polynesian-inspired eatery was hard to read. At this time, cast members didn’t know what types of drink will be served. (Photo by Cindy Yamanaka, Orange County Register/SCNG)

While there is no jingle in the jungle at Disneyland this year, those wanting their “Jingle Cruise” fix had the chance to purchase a souvenir about the holiday version of the famed Jungle Cruise.

Trader Sam’s Enchanted Tiki Bar at the Disneyland Hotel offered a special 1st Edition Holiday Elephant Tiki Mug for the season.

The ceramic mug looks like a mother elephant and her baby as might be seen while cruising the classic attraction, with the mother elephant sporting a Santa hat on her head and holiday lights draped over her body.

Disney fans, collectors — and those looking to score a quick profit by reselling the mugs — began lining up in the wee hours of the morning, as early as 3 a.m. on Thursday, Nov. 30, for a chance to purchase two of the mugs.

The mugs initially sold for $20 beginning at 7 a.m. Thursday inside the Tangaroa Terrace, a casual dining restaurant adjacent to Trader Sam’s at the Disneyland Hotel. Now they sell for $25 and $30 with a drink at Trader Sam’s.

Almost immediately after the mugs went on sale, some were reselling them on eBay with prices listed from $45 to as high as $195.

As of Saturday, there were still mugs available for purchase at the Tangaroa Terrace and Trader Sam’s.










 
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Jeff Central
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Posted: 11 days ago; 09:58 am   Permalink

UGH!!!

 
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AceExplorer
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Posted: 11 days ago; 10:02 am   Permalink

Yeah, but this will pass. We can (hopefully) look forward to better ones in the future. Nowhere to go but up, right?

 
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Or Got Rum?
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Posted: 11 days ago; 12:54 pm   Permalink

WTF?

 
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MadDogMike
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Posted: 11 days ago; 1:11 pm   Permalink

I don't like to criticize someone else's work or vision but it looks like something you would buy at the dollar store with lucky bamboo planted in it



It would be appropriate for Humuhumu's Agrabana Grog
INGREDIENTS
1-1/4 oz Cruzan white rum
3/4 oz Appleton V/X rum
3/4 oz fresh grapefruit juice
1/2 oz fresh lime juice
3/4 oz garam masala syrup
3/4 oz club soda
sprig of mint
Shake the rums, juices and syrup together with ice. Pour into a JINGLE CRUISE MUG, top with club soda, and garnish with a LUCKY BAMBOO SWIZZLE*

Garam Masala Syrup
2 cups sugar
1 cup water
2 tsp garam masala
Make a rich simple syrup by melting the sugar and water together in a small pot over medium-low heat. When the sugar is completely melted, add the garam masala and remove from heat. Once the syrup has cooled, transfer it into a container and store in the refrigerator. Do not strain, shake before using.

*OK, I made some modifications here from the original recipe


 
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JasonMa
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Posted: 11 days ago; 2:23 pm   Permalink

Thought I would copy this over from another forum, from Tom Thordarson:

DISNEY TRADER SAM'S CHRISTMAS ELEPHANT! A true story~~!!!!!!!!!

SO Since I even see reference made to a "well known Tiki Artist" made here by both Disney and others...my obligation to be "silent and on the DL" seems to have been challenged on this DRAMA!! lol SO let me say a few things....or at least lend some sort of level headed attitude on this .

I am not able to divulge details as to what part I took in this product. Most guess fairly quickly...and I can say I am very proud of my contribution. I have a standard of quality in design that have no need to argue. One thing I learned many years ago though, is that there is nothing more deflating and depressing than creating art that gets ...NO response. lol

I think you will hear from the greatest artists and performers in history....say, in their own words, that they would rather bring on great anger...offend many...or appeal to a chosen few rather than create something that is just pushed along without a glance!! lol So....another reason I am VERY proud of "my part" on the Trader Sam's Elephant mug! What a great drama it has stirred and it's "MAGICAL" to watch!!

For those claiming this doesn't belong at "Trader Sams". Well as a former Disney Imagineer and one who has absorbed himself to the point of living in a "fantasy world" most of my days...35 years of Entertainment Design to be exact..I can respectfully, disagree!

One of the "golden rules" at Imagineering we all adhered to is..."Story". Story drives design. Is Trader Sams just a "Tiki Bar"? Well I sure like to feel it is in part...but I can't in any way say ONLY "Tiki Mugs" that look like a "Tiki" are the ONLY fit! Let's see what the original story of this bar to be was, as told by Tom Bricker at Disney...as follows:

"Trader Sam decided to open an Enchanted Tiki Bar where “his expertise in head-shrinking potions grew into an interest in mixology.” Being a very connected man in the import/export business, Sam called on his friends at the Jungle Cruise Navigational Company, to help him decorate the bar. With the artifacts provided by them and his letters and photos from his travels, he managed to thoroughly adorn the walls of Trader Sam’s..."

The story continued...referencing the Jungle Cruise several times..but the point is...Elements of the Jungle cruise like these mugs are definitely a thematic "fit". I see several comments on this Elephant "mug" online where people don't think it belongs in "Trader Sams". This is incorrect!

The design was inspired by the bathing elephants in the Jungle Cruise. Note these, in the mug, (Mom and Baby) are "Indian Elephants"...not African, like Dumbo. Sorry..had to educate a few here!! lol So if you look carefully at the actual drink vessel and look at the expressions and interactions...I can't see how anyone with a decent heart would see this as "stupid" or poorly represented. It' s acute moment any Disney lover would appreciate.

So the idea we are looking at here is celebrating the "decoration" of the jungle cruise animatronics" as the inspiration and overlay. Things added like lights and the hat...etc. I guarantee yah if this were a 12' high animatronic female jungle cruise elephant and her baby and it looked like this at Christmas no one would be in the least so critical. I wish this moment actually DID exist in the jungle cruise.

SO what I see online is a lot of drama and people jumping in to grab a stone to throw at this "public mockery". Really makes me disappointed in a lot of "Ohana". It's why I participate less and less in the Tiki networks.

So maybe you agree with the above and you just don't like the colors or glaze or something. I think public feedback is wonderful and very valuable. Be specific and comment with some class. But I see a lot of "parrots" on here mimicking and jumping in for a stone to throw who have some really really shitty attitudes! Yah know...I am a fairly well known Artist...in Tiki as well (I feel I need to say that suddenly. lol Maybe to remind myself is all.)

I see a lot of mugs, and "Tiki Creations" made by both large scale companies and everything down to the garage mug maker. Some is not at all my taste or favorite. ! lol I mean...I may think that..but I have a lot of respect for keeping my attitude in line with what the people in the "Tiki Culture" USED to be like. Thank god most of those who make the greatest contributions and impact in Tiki are still this way. They choose to make the energy in a room or situation POSITIVE. They have class an dignity and respect for everyone. Be "kind"....is that a word still understood today? It's understandable to have an opinion..but use more intellect and heart in how you express it. Oh yah..."respect"...that word is slipping off the charts lately

EVERYONE is entitled to like or dislike something. But this is part of something "fun"...and part of a context that is not trying to "fool" you or force you to do anything!! Be a little more "Tiki" and be respectful! If you find yourself being a sort that is popping up on any thread where there is a dust cloud to say something derogatory, go outside and kick phone pole for 2-3 minutes or do a Jerry Lewis impression in the mirror and brush your teeth like I do! My attitude is always much better!

Lastly...mark my words!! 5 years from now, the guy who will get the last laugh is the one who buys these Elephants off you for a buck and is making $500.00 a piece on Ebay!! lol Don't laugh!! Drama and reaction means "collectible"!! I see it happen ALL the time!!!

Yah yaaaah...so the word "Tiki Mug" is becoming a broader term in our English language other than always a literal "Tiki" to drink out of. Accept it! I can't stand when people say they "upped" their dosage of pain pills
instead of "raised". lol That used to make my High School English teacher go into fits!! But it was quickly brought to my attention that words, grammer and many aspects of our language and slang are ALWAYS evolving and changing...and so has the definition of a "Tiki Mug"...like it or not! Accept it!

SO....maybe tell a story next time you pick up one of these elephants. Imagine it 12' tall...with mist and flanked in vines and the roar of a waterfall in the distance. Jungle birds and the smell of the Jungle cruise boat exhaust mixed with a kids churro sitting next to you on the boat!

Instead of being pessimistic and negative....try something else....try being a story teller.

Aloha...and hope to see yah all on the backside of water one day for a cool Libation~~ ~~~THOR


 
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MadDogMike
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Posted: 11 days ago; 2:49 pm   Permalink

Excuse me, I'll be over here trying to extract my foot from my mouth

 
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AceExplorer
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Posted: 11 days ago; 5:27 pm   Permalink

Good information there from Thor, thanks to JasonMa for putting that up. I know my initial reaction to the mug was wrong - I thought too quickly of how "the bean counters" got an opportunity and then ran away with it. Emotion overcame reason.

But 12 to 24 hours later I saw more posts and I thought again about what Trader Sam's really was, and then the light went on. That's when I posted again that this mug DOES fit in Sam's. I'm not sure if I pulled my foot outta my mouth, but I sure hope so. And Thor is right - if the edition size isn't ginormous, these will be very valuable. The mugs depict - as Thor helped make clear - something with a long and beloved history in the Jungle Cruise.

And you know what's really embarrassing for me personally? I once took a fellow co-worker for an in-depth behind-the-scenes tour of the park and one of my stops took us INSIDE the rock with the hidden pneumatic valves and showed him what I knew was the legacy technology that ran the animation for that portion of the ride - the elephant pool. Dang it...

I would still argue (friendly) that the "tiki mug" moniker has become generic for various highly stylized and whimsical drinkware. This caused confusion when Disney introduced this mug as a "tiki" mug. Unfortunately not everyone sees these things the same way we do, so to us it was a big deal. But to everyone else -- "COOL! JUNGLE CRUISE ELEPHANTS!" and that was the end of it.

So glad that Jason posted additional in-depth information. That's going to remain an important and lasting record in Google of what that mug is really about and how and why it came to be.

So looking back I am both happy and sad -- happy that the mug fits well into the context of Trader Sam's, and sad that I was so quick to judge and did so badly. To quote someone very famous, "Doh!"



 
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El Jefe
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Posted: 11 days ago; 9:27 pm   Permalink

For me, at least initially, regarding this mug it is not an issue of whether or not this is a "tiki" mug or if it fits into the Sam's theme. I cannot even get to those discussions because it is such a poorly executed mug.



What happened there? Did the elephant get into a front end collision? The picture above and others I have seen don't look that great. I understand that pictures sometimes do not do justice but in this case I don't think seeing this in person would change my mind. Maybe I am wrong but there are so many other people, "tiki" or not, that are producing mugs that are putting out a better quality product. This is just so schlock.


 
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Hamo
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Posted: 11 days ago; 10:07 pm   Permalink

Jefe, this is my line of thinking, too. No offense to Thor and whatever his specific involvement with this mug was, but I still think this just looks sloppy. I truly had a difficult time discerning that there was an elephant here (let alone two). I’m no ceramic artist and couldn’t have done better, but surely Disney has the resources to figure it out. What’s worse is if this was intentionally kitschy in a ironic/meta/hipster kind of way; that doesn’t really help tiki culture anymore than getting into nasty, bitter arguments about what is “authentically” tiki (which, for the record, I don’t think is happening here on this thread). Just because the mug will be collectible, make some people money, and is creating “drama,” doesn’t mean it’s a great mug.

 
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EnchantedTikiGoth
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Posted: 10 days ago; 07:47 am   Permalink

There are two different debates around this mug:

1) What is "real" Tiki?

2) Is this a good mug?

Thor mainly seemed to be responding to the circus around the first question, which is fine. I don't have a problem at all considering this a Tiki mug, for reasons I've already articulated. But people are perfectly entitled to their views on the question of whether this is a good mug.


 
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JasonMa
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Posted: 10 days ago; 07:54 am   Permalink

Two notes. First the edition size is rumored to be 9000, based on the shipping info on the boxes that people saw. (Box labels say contains X amount and box number Y of Z boxes). Second, many reports of people saying the mug looks much better in person. Mine hasn't arrived yet so I can't vouch for that statement.

 
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Jeff Central
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Posted: 10 days ago; 08:17 am   Permalink

No amount of explanation will help. An UGLY mug is an UGLY mug.

Sorry!


 
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kkocka
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Posted: 10 days ago; 11:17 am   Permalink

I still side with the "bad mug" argument. I know Thor is Tiki Royalty, and I've never spoken to him so I certainly have nothing against him, but I just see this whole thing of a holiday mug as a missed opportunity to skew a bit more Tiki (I understand that it heavily skews Adventureland as a whole which includes African elements) and less Attraction.

I'd have preferred to see a mug released FOR Christmas time rather than a Christmastime mug. Throwing a Santa hat on something almost instantly kills my desire for said object (again, that's my personal take) and limits the likelihood of my using said object. Even then, the first thing you're likely to see at Sam's during the holiday celebration is a giant Koro tiki with a Santa Hat on, so there's an idea that could fly as it's recognizable both in the Parks and inside Sam's. It's a mug exclusive to Anaheim and a tiki/prop that's also exclusive to Anaheim. Another idea could be a Krakatoa mug variant that is based off the bar's tropical snowstorm effect - that's one I'm surprised I like so much, it checks the box on Christmas and Sam's, and wouldn't be mistaken for something generic Disney or something unrelated to Disney ("cookie jar" is a word I've heard several times).

Then again, in the creative/art/design world, sometimes you just have to do the job the best you can because that's what you're getting paid to do. Thor hasn't shared whether it was his concept, or simply sculpted the mug. In addition, somebody else (I have a hunch who) was responsible for the paint/finish job. Much like the US not qualifiying for the World Cup, this can't be pinned on one person alone. My big thing is just conceptually something different could have been done. I think this appeals to those not very into Tiki and more into Disney. I've read a lot of "my mom loves elephants" or "i collect everything elephant."

Lastly, for those who don't like it, take the route I traveled: don't buy it. Then again, I'm not a huge mug collector anyway, and taught myself self control about not needing to be a completionist.

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