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Fake Coco Joe's...is this really a problem?
bob5150
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Joined: Aug 14, 2006
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From: Long Island, NY, USA
Posted: 2012-10-28 2:48 pm   Permalink

Hey All,

I've been looking to expand my Coco Joe's collection and, in doing so, I ran some searches on TC. While searching, I found some scattered discussions of "fake Coco Joe's" within threads. When searching these old threads, most of the links and pics from ebay were long expired so I wasn't sure what was being discussed. I have seen the multicolored plaques and the translucent sculps made into lamps, but are ebayers actually reproducing the original lava and hapa wood statues? Even though some of the rare statues fetch higher prices, I wouldn't think that there would be a market for knock-offs of such a niche item. Does anyone know if this is something that we collectors truly need to be wary of?

Thanks in advance,
Cheers,

Bob


 
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forgotten tikiman
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Joined: Aug 18, 2011
Posts: 478
From: Forgotten Tiki Room. Pismo Beach, CA
Posted: 2012-10-28 7:16 pm   Permalink

I Have never seen anyyhing on fake CoCo Joes items. I would not think so since they were so mass produced. Its been a problem with Tiki mugs and such.

 
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Hale Tiki
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Joined: Oct 19, 2004
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From: Pittsburgh
Posted: 2012-10-29 04:56 am   Permalink

It's mostly a guy on eBay that made molds from the originals, then makes new casts.

It's the rare pieces, like the woman and tiki that are re-produced.


 
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bob5150
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Posts: 15
From: Long Island, NY, USA
Posted: 2012-10-29 07:28 am   Permalink

Are these counterfeiters going as far as reproducing labels, tags, stickers etc...? Just seems like a alot of work to do just to sell 20-40 dollar items.

Is it safe to say that all of these are fakes:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/mrbonedaddyz/m.html?item=261119083501&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccbe903ed&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562



Sorry for all the questions but the prospect of buying something other than the genuine article is a bit scary and I'm far more knowledgeable of mugs than ccj.

Cheers,

Bob



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ukutiki
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Joined: Feb 25, 2009
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From: Michigan
Posted: 2012-10-29 07:44 am   Permalink

My guess is that all but the lava ashtray are fake

 
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LOL Tiki
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From: San Diegoish
Posted: 2012-10-29 4:17 pm   Permalink

If the guy is selling reproductions/fakes without acknowledging such then there's no reason to believe that anything he's selling is genuine. As a rule I won't purchase anything from this guy. Coco Joe's items are simple and relatively inexpensive to reproduce, all you need is a mold and resin. Recreating the labels and hang-tags would be a trivial effort with a scanner and a printer.
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HOUSE OF KU
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Joined: Apr 15, 2005
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From: TIKILAND, USA
Posted: 2012-10-30 03:07 am   Permalink

You can see more CoCo No's on his completed items, as well as other phoney
Disney items...
http://www.ebay.com/csc/mrbonedaddyz/m.html?item=261119083501&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccbe903ed&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc The bad part is that a company in Hawaii still legally produces alot of the Coco Joe's and Hip items and said he bought the name from the bank at the bankruptcy sale years ago. The Ebay seller keeps saying he "found" more items in his warehouse, and over the years, keeps making more and more items. Brings in alot of copies from China....


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bob5150
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From: Long Island, NY, USA
Posted: 2012-10-30 6:59 pm   Permalink

So I suppose that if a CCJ piece looks too new to be genuine....there's, at least, a chance that it isn't. I suppose until the fakers start rolling their repros around in the dirt or sprinkle a bunch of dust on them for that "found em in the attic" look.

Hate to admit it but I actually bid on one of the items that that buyer listed (I was outbid thank goodness). Looked legit but almost too clean. Figured that the seller just did a nice job of staging for the listing and dropped a bid. Should have looked at the sellers other items. The two-color repros and the translucent lamps actually led me to research the topic and post this thread.

I hope that the info here helps other would-be CCJ ebay buyers.

Cheers,

Bob


 
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SuperEight
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Joined: Oct 16, 2004
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From: Palo Alto
Posted: 2012-10-30 11:32 pm   Permalink

I thought I heard that a company bought the name and is reproducing casts from vintage pieces (but not from original molds). I have a few, you can buy they at the Honolulu Airport mixed in with some other brand of black resin tikis. The quality is not great but if you look through them all you can sometimes find a decent one. Some have reproductions of the original labels and some don't.

 
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ukutiki
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Joined: Feb 25, 2009
Posts: 192
From: Michigan
Posted: 2012-10-31 05:51 am   Permalink

Could someone post pics of "extreme lookalikes" that are known to be fakes. Mahalo.

 
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TIKI DAVID
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From: North Coast/ DEAD
Posted: 2012-10-31 09:29 am   Permalink

isn't this somewhat akin to the SECRET SERVICE tracking down counterfeit pennies?
Just my opinion,I could be wrong.
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Swanky
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From: Hapa Haole Hideaway, TN
Posted: 2012-10-31 10:07 am   Permalink

I just wanted to post the seller's Ebay ID in case future generations are Googling for answers: mrbonedaddyz

 
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Hale Tiki
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Joined: Oct 19, 2004
Posts: 1798
From: Pittsburgh
Posted: 2012-10-31 10:20 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2012-10-31 09:29, TIKI DAVID wrote:
isn't this somewhat akin to the SECRET SERVICE tracking down counterfeit pennies?
Just my opinion,I could be wrong.




I laughed, but I remember this guy from a ways back. They're selling close to $100 in some instances.


 
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Philot
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Joined: Apr 04, 2003
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From: The armpit of Florida
Posted: 2012-10-31 10:26 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2012-10-31 09:29, TIKI DAVID wrote:
isn't this somewhat akin to the SECRET SERVICE tracking down counterfeit pennies?
Just my opinion,I could be wrong.




You say "obsessive compulsive hobbyist" like it's a bad thing.
Welcome to the internet.


It's
amazing what can sometimes start with something as simple as a few faded old photographs. TC has several such examples of sleuthing that started from a few crumbs turning into well-researched pop archeology.




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Bay Park Buzzy
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Joined: Apr 07, 2006
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From: West Bay Park, San Diego, CA
Posted: 2012-10-31 4:15 pm   Permalink

No! No! Don't do it! It's a fake....




Too late!



Photo of stolen Coco joes designs stolen from Tom D Kline
Buzzy Out!
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