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The Polynesian Paradise Dancers with CAKE (the band) for New Years
bigbrotiki
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From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
Posted: 2012-12-30 7:33 pm   Permalink

..at the Wiltern:



Don't know the band, or their music, so is this a weird combination, or not?


 
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MadDogMike
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From: The Anvil of the Sun
Posted: 2012-12-30 9:05 pm   Permalink

This is the only song I know of theirs. Great song but it seems like an odd combo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p99a6K81zqM
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bongofury
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Joined: Oct 15, 2002
Posts: 1548
From: Ventura County
Posted: 2012-12-31 3:05 pm   Permalink

I like Cake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peU2rztucGk

.....and pie......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7aDstrDMf0


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GatorRob
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From: 3 hrs 33 mins to paradise
Posted: 2012-12-31 3:59 pm   Permalink

Ron posted their two hits and probably best songs. They're on oddball rock band with a quirky sense of humor in their music. Catchy stuff generally, but the combination could be a little odd. Who knows, maybe they have a closet fetish for hapa haole/poly pop?

 
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lucas vigor
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Joined: May 12, 2004
Posts: 3985
From: SOCAL
Posted: 2012-12-31 4:20 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2012-12-31 15:59, GatorRob wrote:
Who knows, maybe they have a closet fetish for hapa haole/poly pop?



Maybe they do. it would be sadly ironic, of course. But it always amazes me how with the outside, non-tiki central world...the first imagery they think of is a hula dancer...and the first music they associate with tiki is Hapa Haole....imagine that. Maybe the outside world could actually teach us a few things about poly pop.


 
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bigtikidude
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Joined: Aug 10, 2004
Posts: 8960
From: Anaheim,Ca.
Posted: 2012-12-31 6:41 pm   Permalink

Lucas,

I can hear yer old soap box creaking again.
time to get down.
even though you are 100% correct.

Jeff(btd)



 
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chrisandsarahb
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From: Cucamonga, CA
Posted: 2012-12-31 7:05 pm   Permalink

Ahhh musicians, lol

 
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bigbrotiki
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
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From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
Posted: 2012-12-31 7:11 pm   Permalink

Lucas, but we do associate the Hula girl and Hapa Haole with Polynesian pop! Just not with Tiki

Many outside folks associate the above things with the Tiki revival today for similar reasons than not recognizing Tiki as its own style in the mid-century: The lack of perspective (and lack of interest) to differentiate between the two. I love that you are a fan of Hapa Haole, and it was indeed the most prevalent music played in Polynesian supper clubs in the mid-century - but that does not make it as interesting and unique phenomenon as Exotica was. Just like the tropical bamboo hut decor that existed since the 30s in America. All fine and quaint and romantic in a South Seas manner, but artistically not quite as edgy as Tiki decor and Exotica music.

Steve Crane's designer Florian Gabriel himself wrote to me that by the mid-50s, Polynesian pop had become a tired cliche - until Tiki came along and gave it a creative shot in the arm that made it last another decade before it gloriously crashed and burned. Yes, Tiki NEEDED the grandiose stage created by Polynesian pop in previous decades to fully realize its potential. And yes, Exotica music was too rarely played in Tiki lounges, but here is where I come from:

I see myself more as an art historian, not a social historian, so what counts for me is the fact that the evolution of the genre of Exotica absolutely paralleled the development of Tiki Style, chronologically and stylistically. Both united the two opposites of modern and primitive. This was not a coincidence, but happened because both were born out of the same Zeitgeist: The modern primitive mindset of the folks who bought Martin Denny records was the same than the ones that went to Tiki Bob's for cocktails. They were jet age Mad Men, not Matson Line old folks. The former are the ones that interest me more than the latter.

Many Tiki followers especially here in California have personal memories of their exposure to Polynesian pop which created nostalgic attachments to various aspects of it. I have no intention to discount these. Everybody is free to favor Don Blanding or love Don Ho, they all are part of the rise and fall of Tiki. But that does not change the fact that viewed from my definition of Tiki style, one was an old hat and the other a post-Tiki pop star. I am the outsider who is looking at all it with a cold hard stare.


 
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chrisandsarahb
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Joined: Aug 22, 2009
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From: Cucamonga, CA
Posted: 2012-12-31 7:23 pm   Permalink

Bigbro, one of these days, we gots to collab

 
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lucas vigor
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Joined: May 12, 2004
Posts: 3985
From: SOCAL
Posted: 2013-01-01 10:19 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2012-12-31 19:11, bigbrotiki wrote:
Lucas, but we do associate the Hula girl and Hapa Haole with Polynesian pop! Just not with Tiki

Many outside folks associate the above things with the Tiki revival today for similar reasons than not recognizing Tiki as its own style in the mid-century: The lack of perspective (and lack of interest) to differentiate between the two. I love that you are a fan of Hapa Haole, and it was indeed the most prevalent music played in Polynesian supper clubs in the mid-century - but that does not make it as interesting and unique phenomenon as Exotica was. Just like the tropical bamboo hut decor that existed since the 30s in America. All fine and quaint and romantic in a South Seas manner, but artistically not quite as edgy as Tiki decor and Exotica music.

Steve Crane's designer Florian Gabriel himself wrote to me that by the mid-50s, Polynesian pop had become a tired cliche - until Tiki came along and gave it a creative shot in the arm that made it last another decade before it gloriously crashed and burned. Yes, Tiki NEEDED the grandiose stage created by Polynesian pop in previous decades to fully realize its potential. And yes, Exotica music was too rarely played in Tiki lounges, but here is where I come from:

I see myself more as an art historian, not a social historian, so what counts for me is the fact that the evolution of the genre of Exotica absolutely paralleled the development of Tiki Style, chronologically and stylistically. Both united the two opposites of modern and primitive. This was not a coincidence, but happened because both were born out of the same Zeitgeist: The modern primitive mindset of the folks who bought Martin Denny records was the same than the ones that went to Tiki Bob's for cocktails. They were jet age Mad Men, not Matson Line old folks. The former are the ones that interest me more than the latter.

Many Tiki followers especially here in California have personal memories of their exposure to Polynesian pop which created nostalgic attachments to various aspects of it. I have no intention to discount these. Everybody is free to favor Don Blanding or love Don Ho, they all are part of the rise and fall of Tiki. But that does not change the fact that viewed from my definition of Tiki style, one was an old hat and the other a post-Tiki pop star. I am the outsider who is looking at all it with a cold hard stare.



As usual, Sven, I agree with almost all of what you say...and I think how you compare the modern primitive mad man to the matson line old folks is basically true.....I guess where I find the "sad irony" is in what "tiki" music has devolved into. I say devolved, because whether you use Hapa Haole or exotica as your base, it is still music that had a heavily jazz-based attitude and pedigree...and the music that sometimes is very popular on this forum has little do do with any of it. I may be an old fogey, cranky, on a soap box but I still can't figure out exactly what tatts and punk and all that stuff has to do with tiki, then or now...and before anyone says that I am biased because of the type of band I play with, I was into hapa haole music long before I ever played it. Frankly, I love it...BUT, I love the style of hapa haole that was a bit more modern, say, the 60's and 70's version of it...not quite the real old style that bands like the sweet hollywaians play...I like it with a bit of a sheen and production to it....Hukilau Hulas being what I think is the finest example of what I am talking about.


 
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bigtikidude
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From: Anaheim,Ca.
Posted: 2013-01-01 6:47 pm   Permalink

Lucas,

who are these punk rock tiki bands you speak of?

I don't know of any.
but I might go see them if I knew there name,
and where they played.

if yer to afarid to post it publicly
call me.

Jeff(btd)



 
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lucas vigor
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Joined: May 12, 2004
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From: SOCAL
Posted: 2013-01-02 10:07 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2013-01-01 18:47, bigtikidude wrote:
Lucas,

who are these punk rock tiki bands you speak of?

I don't know of any.
but I might go see them if I knew there name,
and where they played.

if yer to afarid to post it publicly
call me.

Jeff(btd)





Jeff, why must you always call me out, and make me "go there"?

Ok, I'll play....for starters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF73Q2hgiOc

headlining the biggest "tiki" event in the world. Meanwhile, a hapa haole band that has been gigging for 10 years now is told they are "innapropriate" for a tiki event, not even poolside, not even in the elevators....

So a mosh pit is ok, but vintage hawaiian music is not. Can someone please explain that to me?

Maybe we are not cool enough for oasis....but we sure are cool enough for the NAMM show, where we will be performing in two weeks.


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JOHN-O
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Joined: May 16, 2008
Posts: 2700
From: Dogtown, USA
Posted: 2013-01-02 10:49 am   Permalink

Oh Lucas, Tiki Punk is so yesterday. Tiki Soul/Mod/Ska is the happening thing now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTb18QefC90



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lucas vigor
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Joined: May 12, 2004
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Posted: 2013-01-02 11:07 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2013-01-02 10:49, JOHN-O wrote:
Oh Lucas, Tiki Punk is so yesterday. Tiki Soul/Mod/Ska is the happening thing now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTb18QefC90





I know. Anything BUT hawaiian music. Don Ho must be spinning in his grave.


 
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TheClamsCasino
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Posted: 2013-01-02 11:37 am   Permalink

I'm just gonna say the Untouchables didn't belong at TO and take the flames as they come.

 
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