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Masher88
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From: Cleveland, OH
Posted: 2013-08-17 10:20 am   Permalink

"I hate to sound greedy, but being in SoCal I wish we could avoid a Trader Sam's location in Florida altogether."

Uhhh Why is that?


 
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AceExplorer
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From: Deep in the Jacksonville Florida jungle.
Posted: 2013-08-17 12:44 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2013-08-17 10:20, Masher88 wrote:
"I hate to sound greedy, but being in SoCal I wish we could avoid a Trader Sam's location in Florida altogether."

Uhhh Why is that?



My guess is that Trader Sam's is so unique and fun, "greedy" is meant as in keeping such a gem from spreading beyond his own backyard.

I'm in Orange County now and hope to hit Sam's in Anaheim at least once sometime over the next few days. I'm really looking forward to it.


 
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Masher88
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Posted: 2013-08-18 05:32 am   Permalink

"My guess is that Trader Sam's is so unique and fun, "greedy" is meant as in keeping such a gem from spreading beyond his own backyard."



Heaven forbid that something cool is somewhere other than California.

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Tiki-kitty
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From: Cleveland, Oh
Posted: 2013-08-18 05:49 am   Permalink

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On 2013-08-14 12:15, kkocka wrote:
I hate to sound greedy, but being in SoCal I wish we could avoid a Trader Sam's location in Florida altogether. I know Team Disney Orlando gets a lot of flack for taking shortcuts and cheapening experiences, as well as disliking water features for whatever reason. Removing The Polynesian Resort's water feature really is a downer, although some regulars say that its not exactly the freshest smelling area of the hotel. When I visited in January there were no complaints from me.




"I hate to sound greedy..."
Sorry- your comment did exactly that: made you sound greedy!


 
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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2013-08-18 08:36 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2013-08-14 12:15, kkocka wrote:
I hate to sound greedy, but being in SoCal I wish we could avoid a Trader Sam's location in Florida altogether.


Quote:

On 2013-08-18 05:49, Tiki-kitty wrote:
"I hate to sound greedy..."
Sorry- your comment did exactly that: made you sound greedy!



Wow. Lay off the guy. He's simply happy and proud and in a way "protective" of having something very cool and unique in his backyard. Don't read a bunch of crazy stuff into what he said -- I think many of us would feel the same way about having something very cool and fun and tiki near where we lived as well.

kkocka, you're new here, glad you're plugging in to the Tiki Central community, please keep your thoughts and comments coming. You're very welcome here, and I think that I totally get what you're saying. Hell, I spent money and flew cross-country and added this to my list of "must-do" things while I'm out here. It's looking like I'll be at Trader Sam's on Monday evening, then maybe once again on Thu, Fri or Sat. Come out and help me select a couple mugs to buy and take home. I'm feelin' a little mug-buying "greediness" coming on and I want to rub it in to those who have to mail order their Trader Sam's mugs! haha...


 
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Masher88
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From: Cleveland, OH
Posted: 2013-08-18 11:20 am   Permalink

I'm not trying to pick fights or anything (this is the last place that I wanna argue with people), but it does come off as rude that someone would blatantly not want more tiki destinations to pop up in places that aren't right near them....especially 3000 miles away on the other coast. I mean, who cares? The more tiki stuff, the better. Everyone else in this thread is pretty excited about Disney opening another tiki bar in it's sister park. Why the jealousness?

I'm in Cleveland, OH. Try living in a place where there are NO tiki bars at all. There's a small community of people here who are into it, but we have no where to go. We get by with making tiki events at regular bars or having parties at our houses. The closest thing is Pittsburg where I hear they have a decent bar...but that's 3 hours from us. Just recently, someone from here is opening a tiki bar and we are all elated. Is Kkocka going to be angry about that bar too?

Let's face it, most of the "tiki happenings" go on in California. California has a TON of tiki bars plus all the events. Tiki Oasis, Tiki Caliente, there is even a dedicated thread here in TC for all the "California events". For someone to say that they don't want another bar somewhere else is very odd and not very "tiki like" in my opinion. We are supposed to be a community that is happy when others are into tiki...not jealous because someone can finally do tiki things too.

I'm pretty excited that a Trader Sam's is opening (hopefully) in Orlando. My parents live there and I visit them at least once a year. We hit up the Mai Kai when we go, but it's about 4 hours drive. We go to the Polynesia Resort and have drinks at the Tambu Lounge, but that's not really the same vibe as places like the Mai Kai. It's small (12 seats) and it's in the waiting area for the restaurant. The thought of a dedicated tiki bar right near where I go visit is awesome.

Also, since when does Disney World in Florida "water down" anything? Everything is bigger and more grand there compared to Disneyland...not knocking the original, there's just more room in Florida for a larger scale.

To further my point: Trader Vics is a chain, Don the Beachcomber is a chain, The old Kon Tiki was a chain....many locations..all super cool. Tiki bars, in their heyday, were everywhere. It's not really a "unique" thing. Secondly, it's Disney...that's their MO....expand.

Don't hate when others get to enjoy cool things...it doesn't take away from your enjoyment of the cool thing. Just be glad that others like the cool stuff too.


 
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kkocka
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Posted: 2013-08-19 10:48 am   Permalink

I find it hilarious that so many people are butthurt over nothing-comments. For those who are huge Disney people such as myself, you'll know there is a huge difference in quality between FL and CA. From a lot of Floridians, they'll tell you the same thing - Team Disney Orlando has a reputation for taking short cuts, or cheapening experiences. Now that's a generalization sure, but its pretty true. I have a bartender friend who works at the resorts in FL, and after spending several years out in CA has really grown to appreciate the charm that the CA resorts have and that FL doesn't.

Now the reason why I don't want it in FL is because CA finally has the upper hand on something that Florida doesn't. Consider that WDW has a 30,080 acres of land where as Disneyland has like 160 acres + 67 for California Adventure (quick research), a multitude more of everything - attractions, hotels, etc. Along with Cars Land in DCA, Trader Sam's is a gem. Its small - as it should be - and has an EXTREME amount of detail and hand-made recreations of various props from the Adventureland attractions. A Sam's of the same size in Florida, be it in the Poly Resort or wherever, will not work given the number of visitors. A larger restaurant-heavy Sam's could work, much like a Don the Beachcomber's, but that's not likely to happen. Florida caters to giant crowds and is a prime location among other theme parks - they're competing with a lot of other destinations. They're trying to beat Universal in FL, where in CA Universal Citywalk/Studios is a complete joke. The locals populate Disneyland, not tourists and foreigners.

When you chill at Sam's, there's a lot of feeling of exclusivity. It was built as part of the 2011 Disneyland Hotel renovation and has ties to not only Adventureland and Disneyland, but to the strong tiki movement that was ESPECIALLY popular in SoCal. You'll see mugs that are from Bali Hai, notes to Tiki Ti, Don the Beachcomber, and more as a nod to them. It was intended to be the hotel pool bar. When you look on one of their swizzle sticks, you'll see "The Disneyland Hotel" on them not in the current typeface, but the original hand-set type of when the hotel opened in 1955. So when Florida gets their Trader Sam's, the bottom of the souvenir mugs are going to say "DisneyParks/ Disneyland, Walt Disney World" on them like ay other piece of generic merchandise because its cheaper on production costs?

There's a very cool story about how Disney worked with MarkeTeam to develop the bar and how Disney was given a "safari" of various Southern California tiki bars in part of the research and production. The bar has a strong and well fitting relationship to the culture here. It was a risk, and it proved to be a success. Now Florida is gonna get a carbon copy? Please. They have EPCOT. Let us keep one stinkin little bar please.



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finky099
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Posted: 2013-08-19 12:34 pm   Permalink

First off, I've met up with kkocka a few times and he's a very cool and very generous guy, so anyone who sees something "greedy" in his post, is seeing something that isn't there...unless they're projecting their own issues into his words.

Second, I can understand his concern about the translation of somethign pretty damn amazing from DL to WDW. it's not a secret that park upkeep and innovation at WDW has not had a great track record over (at least)the last decade. Management there does things with a focus on large international crowds and spending less on "bells and whistles" than it's Anaheim sister property. So, when WDW plans on taking the Trader Sam's concept to their own soil, there are some legitimate concerns about the quality of it's execution. And, I would hate to see something that overall has worked amazingly here in Anaheim be pulled off like a cheaper version built for capacity, than charm. People visiting WDW deserve to have a Sam's every bit as good as the one in Anaheim. Whether it can be done, taking into consideration the things which will undoubtedly go into the planning for its FL location? I dunno.

And, just to be clear for the non-Disney aficionados, this is not a case of "Anaheim" is better than "Orlando" Park pride/rhetoric. Anyone who follows development on both American shores of the Disney Empire knows about the recent historic qualitative difference of Park managment between the two resorts. There are some things Orlando has that are better than Anaheim, but in general, it's not an exaggeration to say that there's legitimate concern for how FL management will handle a Trader Sam's. Perhaps George Kalogridis' presence there will help out sicne he was in Anaheim when Sam's was in development.


 
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Masher88
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Posted: 2013-08-19 1:05 pm   Permalink

Saying that he has concerns is one thing...but outright saying that he doesn't want the east coast to have a Trader Sams is, in his own words, "greedy". My parents both worked at WDW for 10+ years. I practically grew up there. Nothing but good memories at a top notch park.

All this could have been saved if K reworded his comment as :

"I have concerns over WDW getting a Trader Sams. I guess we'll have to wait and see how the new one is compared to the original." Re-read what he actually said and how it comes across.

I'm sure K is a great person. Best of luck to him.


 
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Sunny&Rummy
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Posted: 2013-08-19 3:01 pm   Permalink

I took no offense at a post displaying a bit of possessiveness/protectiveness for a new west coast Tiki establishment that most accounts suggest is doing it right. I have no problem admitting that it is greediness that has me hoping we do get a Sam's at WDW and that management gets it right.

I was a huge fan of Adventurer's Club as an example of something off-beat and quirky that WDW put right in the middle of a heavy traffic area at Pleasure Island but really managed to do well. I'm hoping they can do the same thing with a WDW Trader Sam's.


 
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I-Tiki
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Posted: 2013-08-20 03:35 am   Permalink

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On 2013-08-19 15:01, Sunny&Rummy wrote:
I was a huge fan of Adventurer's Club as an example of something off-beat and quirky that WDW put right in the middle of a heavy traffic area at Pleasure Island but really managed to do well. I'm hoping they can do the same thing with a WDW Trader Sam's.



For those fellow Adventurers who remember the great times...

The Adventurer's Club Creed:

We climb the highest mountain, just to get a better view.
We plumb the deepest oceans, cause we're daring through and through.
We cross the scorching desert, Martini in our hand.
We ski the polar icecaps, in tuxedo looking grand.
We are reckless, brave and loyal, and valiant til the end.
If you come in here a stranger, you will exit as a friend.

KUNGALOOSH!


 
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Jsalamone7
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Posted: 2013-08-20 2:15 pm   Permalink

I wrote a rant here but decided to delete it. Carry on.

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pjc5150
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Posted: 2013-08-21 10:43 am   Permalink

"Let us keep one stinkin little bar please..."

please... you're making sound like we have EVERYTHING here and Florida, and California has nothing... when the opposite is actually true...






 
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kkocka
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Posted: 2013-08-21 1:56 pm   Permalink

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On 2013-08-21 10:43, pjc5150 wrote:
please... you're making sound like we have EVERYTHING here and Florida, and California has nothing... when the opposite is actually true...



I think the CA parks are more of a "best of" of the four FL parks. Any imagineering updates etc are always applied first to Florida because it has the highest traffic (which can be good or bad, depending on your viewpoint.) Epcot in itself has a plethora of experiences, both dining and entertainment. That alone not only overtakes the square footage of California Adventure, but the number of attractions.

So I think that, going back to my statement, the generalities hold true. You could go into great detail comparing everything, but that's what MiceChat's "Dueling Disney" column is for. If you all could pull the sticks out from your behind and wallow your right to be offended and not take any of this personally, then we could get back on topic.
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pjc5150
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Posted: 2013-08-21 2:25 pm   Permalink

so, you think I have a stick up my ass and I'm "wallowing" in be offended, and I think you're a typical elitist dick.

ehh, fair enough.

I'm done.


 
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