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Painting and Sculpting Tiki on the iPad and other crazy stuff
VanTiki
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From: Hawaii
Posted: 2013-06-13 12:00 pm   Permalink

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On 2013-06-12 21:44, danlovestikis wrote:
I like to see constructive criticism such as, "hey Wendy your perspective is off in the right
corner are you going to do something about it?" That helps. But if you tell me my tiki sucks and I ought to do more research, well that's your opinion and it may not jive with mine. You all know that Dan's collection is a good one and that we have stacks of books on tiki. I asked Dan to look at Gene's tiki and give me his opinion. He liked it, period. We both like the necklaces and how he made them.



Wendy -

Mahalo for this - I could not agree more. Creating Tiki is a place for creators to bounce ideas and techniques off other creators: Why is this glaze running? What is wrong with the shadows on this drawing? We are making stuff. We help each other out. We give pointers. We describe our process. If we don't dig what we see, we learn what we can from the thread and move on.

Henrik "VanTiki"
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Sweet Daddy Tiki
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Posted: 2013-06-13 4:18 pm   Permalink

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On 2013-06-13 07:35, Trader Gino wrote:
Hi Gene - Your work shows promise, keep it up!
Maybe try a couple practice pieces without the mirror/auto symmetry tool. You may be very surprised at how much character or added dimension the little imperfections of asymmetry can bring!



I totally agree with Trader Gino about the symmetry - I was going to say something similar but he said it better. Also, I like your attitude and perseverance.
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Gene S Morgan
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Joined: Jul 18, 2011
Posts: 342
From: Midwest the navel of the USA
Posted: 2013-06-13 7:48 pm   Permalink

Trader Gino and Sweet Daddy Tiki .... Thanks for finally posting some constructive criticism ... Yes guys creating without symmetry is good advise and I do that mostly in my work. I have not posted any of my other images here because most of my work is not tiki. I tried posting one of my more realistic images and got immediate crap for it. This entire thread was intended to be an introduction to tiki on the Ipad for folks who had never worked digital. Mirroring makes it easier for beginners. I was trying to get folks to start creating stylized tikis right away to help build confidence. If you look at the beginning of this series of post you will see the final design which I will use for a t-shirt or other clothing. I like my designs straight on. It is just my style ......

 
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Gene S Morgan
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From: Midwest the navel of the USA
Posted: 2013-06-13 9:21 pm   Permalink

First I want to thank Vantiki, Bigbadtikidaddy, Swizzle, Wendy, and the several people who have sent me PMs. It is so good to hear voices of reason out here in the Tiki Central jungle. To me, you folks are the real backbone of this forum.

I took a break from this thread yesterday because all the drama was bumming me out. I went to a Pokey LaFarge concert to cheer up. I came back and read the Hale Tiki post. Some of you may wish to stop reading now. Wendy often says what a great guy Hale Tiki is and I have great respect for her. But, his post was just more of the same. I have seen this so many times on other threads where the punk kid comes on insulting someone and as soon as other folks start to objecting here come Hale Tiki acting all indignant defending him. Is he the punk kid's dad or maybe big brother' I detect a kinda George and Lenny vibe here.

First thing …. Quoting Hale Tiki: “all thoughtful criticism is helpful, no matter how it's conveyed” I know he has gone to all those wonderful art schools and I suppose they define “thoughtful criticism” differently than I would. Almost ever word from punk kid has been hateful insults. Sorry I wasn't being helped by that. You will not find some of his earliest ones here on this thread, because he went back and deleted them. Covering his tracks, sneaky guy, dishonest as well as nasty. You will not find where he said my work looks like it was done by a 5 year old. You might find where he called my work “scribbles”. When I tried to post a very positive comment on Hale Tiki's thread he did not reply but within minutes the punk kid commented: “Gene, no more tutorials! It had to be said” and then a little later “They are(the tutorials) 'Justin Bieber' good” That was just all so helpful. I should be thanking him for such “thoughtful criticism” I know these guys are drinking buddies, but what is this relationship where their main activity is ganging up on and attacking folks.

Second thing …. Another Hale Tiki quote: “ And for everyone else, stop stirring up shit” Folks he is saying your comments are not allowed. I have not been to great art schools but I did study some psychology and guys what he is saying is that he is a Superior Being and all the rest of us are of no value. If you are to ever get this site back you will have to stop this. The only way to do this is to ignore these guys and start contacting the forum administrator. My guess is that the powers that be condone this nastiness. I'm on lots of different forums and have never seen such mean behavior allowed. Only the folks in charge can fix your TC.

The remainder of Hale Tiki's post was a lecture on how I needed to study art more and read some books. I was studying art and tiki long before this dude was born. (I'm and old fellow you know, I think he mentioned that) You all may comment about all my tiki designs, but I want to say that they look the way they do because I chose to have them look that way. I am happy with my stylized tikis. They work perfectly as designs on my CafePress products. I do not apologize for my images . They are what they are and they work fine for me How many times do have to say, “I'm not a fine artist”? I make graphic designs. I have my own style and I like it. If you don't like them, don't look at them. If you got some cool tips on improving them, give them too me, I listen.

What bothered me most about this more than a page of conflicting post was that over the last 48 hours it has got almost 1,000 hits. And, I wasn't even there. I always figure if I can get 100 or 150 post a day enough folks are checking in that I should continue. But I wasn't even posting. Does that mean that 1,000 folks came here because Hale Tiki had posted? That scares me. Folks I'm done.

For the folks who have been actually following my post for the information and encouragement, I'm very sorry. I'm a pretty busy guy and I invested much time and effort in compiling these post. I'm running out of time. I wanted to show you something no one else has. I believe that creativity and imagination defines humanness. Folks are happiest when they can express their creative urges. All this crap about judging art denies your own personal creative spirit. Don't buy it …. Someone once said …. Don't let the bastards hold you down …. Thanks folks …. so long ….. Bon Ton Roulett Y'All …... Gene



 
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danlovestikis
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Posted: 2013-06-13 9:37 pm   Permalink

Vantiki, Bigbadtikidaddy, Swizzle and Wendy hope that you'll stay with us and know that we were fans of yours. I've enjoyed your posts and I'll miss them. This makes me very sad. I hope we'll be in touch in the future. Wendy
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Joined: Jul 19, 2009
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From: Costa Misery
Posted: 2013-06-13 10:34 pm   Permalink

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On 2013-05-01 21:27, Atomic Tiki Punk wrote:
(Edited for being overly blunt, as was not my intention to scare the poor guy away)

Gene please don't take my criticism as a personal attack
don't stop creating your art & don't leave TC because one person makes a statement your not happy with

But to tone down my earlier remark (it did come across as harsh) Sorry.
but these are just not good, keep working at it, you will get better

If you have read a bit on Tiki Central about our disdain for "Party City Tikis"
well your posted work looks like "Party City Tikis"

Do a search on the internet for Tiki Gods or here on Tiki Central for photos and use those as your inspiration
you will see what I mean & keep painting.

[ This Message was edited by: Atomic Tiki Punk 2013-05-03 06:16 ]



Is this the insults & lies you are talking about Gene?
you are obviously incapable of taking any criticism what so ever

This is an "Honest Assessment" and one person's opinion offered in a straight non-sugar coated manner
if you can't handle that, you should not post your art on the internet.

At no time did I make personal remarks or insults to you, nor did I ask you to stop posting or leave Tiki Central
Yet you called me a few names didn't you & made plenty of assumptions about me with no basis in fact

Yes I don't like your work & you clearly have no understanding of what Tiki is by your examples
But what Hale Tiki said is the plain truth which you clearly can't handle.

No one (including myself) has asked you to leave.


 
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swizzle
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Joined: Jun 03, 2007
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From: Melbourne,Australia
Posted: 2013-06-14 04:21 am   Permalink

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On 2013-06-12 11:42, Atomic Tiki Punk wrote:
I have no more reason to comment here again



And yet....


 
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happy buddha
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Joined: Sep 13, 2008
Posts: 225
Posted: 2013-06-14 05:19 am   Permalink

Whoa I just found this thread.. As far as I can see, and for what it's worth (nothing), it goes like this: the guy could use computer programs that others here would like to learn to use. They found his posts, and enthusiasm, helpful.

ATP and Hale Tiki were making the point that any 11-year-old today can use a computer program. That doesn't make you an 'artist'. They are not wrong.

And Gene, if you were to post your work on any of the given main 'art' sites out there, you would have left after your first post. Those folks make ATP look gentle.

Keep posting your tutorials for the folks that find them useful. That was your intent, yes? If you're as old as you say you are, you should be able to take a little criticism w/out packing up & going home.


 
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Hale Tiki
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Joined: Oct 19, 2004
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From: Pittsburgh
Posted: 2013-06-14 08:26 am   Permalink

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On 2013-06-14 05:19, happy buddha wrote:

ATP and Hale Tiki were making the point that any 11-year-old today can use a computer program. That doesn't make you an 'artist'. They are not wrong.




Not quite. Though you're right, they're extremely user friendly, and children by the age of 11 have more knowledge and skill with computers than people 4 times their age. They're the information generation. But that's beside the point.

To those reading this, be warned that from this point forward, I have done away with niceties, as it would appear that Gene has no interest in showing them to me. You may be offended by what you are about to read, and for that I am sorry, as I hate when there is any negativity on Tiki Central, and hate that I have to contribute to it. But Gene touched a nerve, and was not very kind. Though rest assured, no matter what else is said, it is the last thing I have to say on the matter, and I will not be responding to any other messages posted on this thread, so as to not antagonize anyone else. I've never been rude, mean, or negative towards others on the site, and Gene's accusations and attitude are unacceptable in my book. For the following, I apologize.




I don't even know where to begin with you, Gene. I really don't. I tried to be nice, and helpful, and help you grow as an artist. It was sincere. I didn't say anything insulting. If you were insulted by me saying that there's room for improvement in your work, then tough shit, Gene. If you don't have any interest in growing as an artist, then perhaps you should put down the brush, or in this case, the finger. I'm not here to coddle you, I'm not your mother. I put time and thought into a message that was meant to diffuse a situation, because you were offended, and others were being offended for you, and I don't like seeing conflict on Tiki Central. Because I cared about your feelings, and wanted you to grow as an artist. Why? I don't know you from Adam, Gene. But you showed some passion for Tiki, and that's what this site is about. So I did my best, and tried to be as helpful and thoughtful as I could. I didn't insult anyone, I didn't call anyone names, and I wasn't rude. I don't appreciate your message, or you twisting my words. I spend a lot of time everyday on this site, Gene. I contribute. I try to provide thoughtful feedback to artists, I soak in as much information as I can, and every day I'm grateful for people who post information that I would otherwise never know about a subject that I hold so dear. So don't you DARE suggest that I'm some type of tyrant who is trying to cater the site to my own needs, and should be booted by a moderator. I looked at your post history, Gene. 99% of your posts are about your own work. 28 of your posts were on other threads. It's all been about your "art" for your Cafepress site. It's obvious that your only interest in tiki is to make money. If you want to throw stones, I'll throw stones Gene. You haven't contributed anything to Tiki Central unless it was about your own work. You've shown no interest in the history, the music, the food and drink, and the people. Above all, the people, Gene. I've had the pleasure of meeting a LOT of people from Tiki Central, and I've put myself in the poorhouse, at times, so that I could contribute to tiki culture, and go to the events, and meet the people that make Tiki Central great. It's been some of the best times of my life, and there are some of the most talented, wonderful, thoughtful, and intelligent people that I've ever met on this site. People who care about Polynesian Pop, and want to see its traditions preserved, new ones started, and separate the wheat from the chaff. And with your work, your selfish attitude, and your bastardization of tiki that you call a style, you sir, are chaff.



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Gene S Morgan
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Joined: Jul 18, 2011
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From: Midwest the navel of the USA
Posted: 2013-06-16 7:07 pm   Permalink

Hello, my name is Gene. I am 67 years old, (Is that too Old) I love long walks on the beach, quite times relaxing under the tiki torches and … Oh crap … I can't do that … I don't live in California.
I know I said I was going away, but I keep seeing all those leftover files on my hard drive that were suppose to be the rest of this thread and worried about the 2 or 3 people who followed this thread because they thought it was a little bit interesting. So I'm doing this for you.

As always I have a couple of other things first. I wanted to clear some stuff up.

I get the feeling that folks think I'm a new kid here on TC. Several years ago I was traveling and had a 3 hour flight ahead of me so I stopped at a news stand or maybe it was BAM. I saw the magazine called Tiki. On my flight I read it front to back twice. Wow, what a cool and fun thing was this. Next thing I know I found TC and have been here every since.

http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=40510&forum=18&vpost=598554
The forum above was the first time I posted. It was called a discussion on digital art. My first post wasn't much. I remembered Grog was the first to welcome me. I was shocked when Thor posted that he had tried Sculptris, a digital sculpting program I had recommended, and liked it. How cool that was to me. I guy who's art I had admired in the gallery in Oahu actually was listening to me. I was hooked. This thread was a long interesting discussion of digital and it made me smile to reread it this weekend.


http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=40834&forum=21&start=0
This was my first thread where I asked “Is This Tiki?”. I had started designing tikis in sculptris and was trying to find if folks thought they looked like tikis should. I got lots of help. I remember it was MadDogMike who suggested that I add backgrounds so they could be framed prints. Bigbrotiki took time to look at what I was doing and gave me much info on what I was doing right and wrong. He gave some great advice and when he compared tiki to cubism it really stuck with me and that is pretty much the direction I took after that, tiki as impressionism. If you want to see if I can actually take real constructive criticism and improve myself, check it out.


http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=43359&forum=18&hilite=sculptris
Wendy and Dawn had both suggested that I start a thread in “other crafts”. Last fall I posted this thread on making tiki pendants with 3D software and 3D printing. It really covered the subject, but I believed it was pretty much a failure because it was too complex a subject for people who did not really do computer graphics. I wanted to do better, so I started the present thread. I purposely tried to simplify the process and present very simple images that I thought even beginners could duplicate. How did I go wrong?

The second thing that some folks seem to get wrong is thinking that I only do this to get people to buy stuff at my Cafepress shop. Man, I don't get that. I explained before that you folks don't buy my stuff. I know that and accept it. I must say if I was trying to market my stuff I would not be explaining an Ipad app and spending much time and effort presenting a tutorial. I would be running sales, offering cupons, and bragging about all the wonderful stuff I sell. Some of you go to my shop and I like that because it allows you to view other things I have designed and make up your own minds if my designs are crap or not. But, my shop is basically about music. That is what it started as and that is where I make my money. Designing tikis is fun for me and I sell a few to folks that are not quite as obsessed and many you folks here. Once I did post in the market because someone was curious what products I had. I don't even list my shop web address in my post. I'm here because I find fun things I like and are compelled to share fun with others.

Well let's get on with it …. reading all those old threads renewed my faith that there were once were great folks here at TC and there will still be greatness when the time comes.


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Gene S Morgan
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Joined: Jul 18, 2011
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From: Midwest the navel of the USA
Posted: 2013-06-16 7:22 pm   Permalink

Back to brushes and I chose a wood grain brush. The grain works best painted vertically.



As you can see in this closeup the wood grain effect is less than perfect. I tend to use this on image that are going be printed smaller. At a reduced size the grain looks pretty good. I have other things up my sleeve later on.



Again another digital only tool. In filters I went to Color Adjustment. So if after doing all that coloring and shading you have a dream that it would look better purple. Hey, don't start over, just adjust the hue and saturation settings.



How about a bluer look? No problem.



By just adjusting saturation I can make the colors stronger. But let's quite fooling around, get to the background.




 
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danlovestikis
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Posted: 2013-06-16 7:34 pm   Permalink

Gene, I feel like a kid who just found out Christmas arrived today. Thank you for returning and bringing sunshine back in the middle of a storm. Hey and guess what I just signed up for Social Security! Cheers, Wendy
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Gene S Morgan
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From: Midwest the navel of the USA
Posted: 2013-06-16 8:58 pm   Permalink

Wendy, you are such a sweet lady even though you make kinda twisted stuff .... Lady in a cannibal pot?. Thanks for your comments. They must have different laws where you come from. Around here you have to be 62 to get Social Security ... That must be 20 years away for you ... sorry I couldn't help it .... Gene

 
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mp
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From: Nor Cal
Posted: 2013-06-17 02:12 am   Permalink

Glad your back Gene!

 
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Gene S Morgan
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From: Midwest the navel of the USA
Posted: 2013-06-17 6:21 pm   Permalink

Thanks much mp ......

 
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