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"New" Lemon Hart 151
thePorpoise
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From: Tampa Bay
Posted: 2013-08-24 10:47 pm   Permalink

finally got my hands on a bottle of this. its been about two years since i've had the old original LH rum around. tried the new version out in various ways:

1. whiff from the opened bottle-- somehow “flatter” than original, maybe more of a brown sugar sweetness? my old 'original' but empty bottle sustains a smokier aroma.

2. a sip straight- tastes mostly like fire! but somehow more sippable than original. maybe sweeter?

3. in a 1934 zombie- can’t discern the LH. was this Zombie always such a tart, dry drink when i made it before? not sure, my old notes say "too strong"....

4. 151 Swizzle (old school DtB). awesome. tart, sweet, rummy. never liked this with the original LH...

5. 151 Swizzle (Hurricane Heyward's Mai Kai tribute) excellent! excellent! excellent! dont have kohala bay yet, but combined Pyrat and Appleton 18 y.o. for presumably a quality substitute. smooth, juicy, cinnamony, great drink. havent been to MaiKai, we central Floridians avoid south florida, and the natives from down there do as well; nonetheless, this is an awesome drink...

6. Cobra’s Fang-- can’t discern LH specifically. drink is very limey...

7. Jet Pilot-- cinnamony, tart, some rumminess. is it from the LH? not sure...

8. diluted to 80 proof- tastes like aged Appleton jamaican.! maybw that's a tell-taler sign of difference btw today's LH and the Ricard-Pernod version?


curious as to yall's thoughts re the resurrected version of LH 151...


 
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Sunny&Rummy
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Posted: 2013-08-25 06:07 am   Permalink

My sense memory is not good enough to allow particularly meaningful comparisons between the new stuff and the old. While my impressions of drinks made then and now do differ I am pretty sure most of the differences stem from my changing tastes rather than huge differences between old and new LH151. The '34 Zombie is a good example. My early tasting notes (used to be sooo much better at that when I furst started mixing) show I thoght the drink was unbalanced and a bit too strong with the original LH151. Now with the new stuff it is one of my absolute favorite drinks, but I think that is the refinement of my own tastes and not the difference in the rums.

I also only eever had one partial bottle of the old LH151 (from a friend who had it around for years and didn't much care for it) to play with so my experience with the original product is quite minimal.

I LOVE the New LH151 in the Atomic Grog Jet Pilot tribute. It was really that drink at Mai-Kai that best showcased the depth and complexity the LH brings to the drink. I had had one in April 2012 during Hukilau and it was good but didn't knock my socks off. I went back two months later in June after they had resumed using LH151 after something like a 15 year absence and this time the Jet Pilot absolutely blew me away.

The Boo Loo with the new LH151 is also excellent.

For the most part I share your desire to avoid south FL (Florida Keys excepted), mostly because of the traffic. But I a solutely make an exception for Mai-Kai which I try to get to as often as possible. As yet, that is only a couple times a year outside of Hukilau, which is not nearly enough.

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Dapuma1
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Posted: 2013-08-25 06:55 am   Permalink

I have a bottle of the old LH 151 (about half left) and a bottle of the new LH 151

Not sure how to go about a taste comparison because 151 is like gasoline no matter what flavor it is

I have not diluted it (the new stuff) to 80 proof because I generally use El Dorado 12 year in my navy grogs, however I have thought about using the 151 in a navy grog instead of the ED 12, but it is already pretty punchy, afraid the extra alcohol might knock the flavor out - my other two rums are Coruba and either Cruzan or Flor de Cana 4 year for the white

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happy buddha
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Posted: 2013-08-25 08:00 am   Permalink

A navy grog w 3/4 oz old LH151 for the Demerara is a stellar cocktail. I suggest that one for a taste-test. I haven't tried a bottle of the new stuff yet. But I'm gonna have to soon...

 
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djmont
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Posted: 2013-08-25 08:22 am   Permalink

If you want to taste them side-by-side, water then down a little.

 
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happy buddha
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Posted: 2013-08-25 08:32 am   Permalink

dj is right; although I think a few others have done this w the LHs and not noticed a huge difference. Might be nice to try them both in a good cocktail & see if there's subtleties in the way they play off other ingredients.

Having said that, I think I recall a YouTube vid where someone was doing that, too..


 
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djmont
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Posted: 2013-08-25 08:37 am   Permalink

There's a video of Ed Hamilton and Martin Cate tasting them. Of course, Ed is the importer...
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Limbo Lizard
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Posted: 2013-08-25 10:20 am   Permalink

Here's the link to the video DJMont refers to, from July, 2011. Ed Hamilton and Martin "Martiki" Cate do a side-by-side taste test of the new and old bottle Lemon Hart 151.
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Swanky
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Posted: 2013-08-26 09:36 am   Permalink

Not sure how this relates exactly, but...

I recently got 24 bottles of the old LH 80. I had been buying lots of the new LH 151 and diluting them to also make an 80. While I can't say the cocktails suffered or were particularly better/worse with the new LH 151, I can say that the new LH diluted to 80 proof does not hold a candle to the vintage LH 80. I had intended to trade/sell some of my old 80 proof, but it is perhaps the finest rum I own for sipping!

I do not have any ElDo to compare, but need to do that.
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djmont
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Posted: 2013-08-26 10:06 am   Permalink

Which ED is supposed to work best? 5? I can try to do a taste test.

 
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Sunny&Rummy
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Posted: 2013-08-26 10:55 am   Permalink

ED5 is my go to for 80 proof Demerrara, but the ED8 has won quite a few fans as well. The 8 is probay more versatile as a high end mixer that is also a solid sipping rum, so based on Swanky's rave review of the old LH 80 as a great sipper maybe ED8 is the more appropriate product for comparison.

 
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Longboard
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Posted: 2013-08-26 11:25 am   Permalink

Swanky,

I have both the LH-80 and the El Dorado and I prefer the El Do. That said, I do drink and enjoy both of them

The 151 hasn't been available out here in the SF BAY, but would love to have some for my mixed drinks.

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djmont
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Posted: 2013-08-26 12:13 pm   Permalink

K&L Wines sells Lemon Hart 151. Based on their website, it's not currently in stock at their NorCal stores. But you can order it and do a will-call pick-up. No shipping cost.
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LosGatos_HepCats
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Posted: 2013-08-26 4:29 pm   Permalink

Saw the new LH151 at Beltramos in Menlo Park on Saturday 8/24 when I stopped in, so there is a NorCal source just down the street from K&L.

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K&L Wines sells Lemon Hart 151. Based on their website, it's not currently in stock at their NorCal stores. But you can order it and do a will-call pick-up. No shipping cost.




 
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LosGatos_HepCats
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Posted: 2013-08-26 4:29 pm   Permalink

Saw the new LH151 at Beltramos in Menlo Park on Saturday 8/24 when I stopped in, so there is a NorCal source just down the street from K&L.

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On 2013-08-26 12:13, djmont wrote:
K&L Wines sells Lemon Hart 151. Based on their website, it's not currently in stock at their NorCal stores. But you can order it and do a will-call pick-up. No shipping cost.




 
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