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JOHN-O
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From: Dogtown, USA
Posted: 2013-11-12 06:36 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2013-11-12 01:34, swizzle wrote:




Actually to be fair Robbie, a simple search would have never uncovered the thread I posted above. I remembered it based on that super cool list the Bigbro provided, the Makai bar especially catching my eye. I had to do several searches to relocate it, keying on "Mar Vista" for any thread that Sven had commented on.

I welcome any DISCUSSION on Tiki history, I just fear the focus of this thread is too narrowly defined to have an on-going thoughtful dialog for very long.

Edited to reference said thread...
http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=24270&forum=1

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TikiTacky
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Posted: 2013-11-12 1:02 pm   Permalink

I'll answer my own question.

Trader Vic's would likely be more of a visual experience. He apparently did a better job initially of filling the bar with items from his travels, and although it may not have had tikis, I think a lot more than the presence of a tiki denotes a "tiki bar." Vic was a venerate story teller and I'm sure sitting at the bar and hearing him spin a tale would be well worth the price of admission.

But from a historical standpoint, Don the Beachcomber is where I'd go. Donn was truly the grandfather of poly pop (the don, if you will), and being able to see its roots seems incomparable to me. You'd also be bumping elbows with some of the the Hollywood greats. The bar certainly wasn't lax in its decor—the stories claim that Vic wanted to franchise DTB and ended up buying some decorations from Donn to open TV. If you're a stickler for tiki the original bar did apparently have Donn's beloved cannibal tikis on display. I'd order a Zombie, of course.

I can easily imagine a meeting with Vic, since his persona oozes out of everything he's written (which is a lot), but Donn is more of an enigma, and I'd like to meet the man and see what he was like in person. I'd also buy a box of swizzle sticks off the guy so I could retire in luxury in the present day!

Thanks, JOHN-O, for pointing out the original thread. I missed it myself, although I asked almost the same question word for word down to the title! Although sometimes I lament the "this has already been covered" posts, as years pass and more information comes to light. There's also new faces and new perspectives on things. I don't mind going back and reading old posts, but if nothing new can be added than why not turn Tiki Central into a static archive and close the forums?

I don't mind ATPs sense of humor, but I do feel that the forum of late seems more about witty banter than actual information. When Sven's book first came out everyone was excited and everything was new. Tiki was cool. Now it seems like the old people are hanging around because they're comfortable with the scene, but no one is adding much. New users are often sent away with a "search the forums, this has been discussed," which, in real life, would be just as off putting as it can be here. If Tiki 2.0 is going to continue to be relevant it needs to be welcoming of new members, and that's going to mean answering the same questions over and over. Be a mentor!

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Atomic Tiki Punk
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From: Costa Misery
Posted: 2013-11-12 1:49 pm   Permalink

Very true in most of what you say TikiTacky, but the very nature of your question/thread
and others like it (What is your favorite Tiki this or that?) is a whimsical one
and I have started many such threads myself, but is just not as conducive to an academic
subject thread, after all you never realistically address the mode of Time Travel
etc. so I have fun with these kinds of posts myself.

My perception is Tiki Central has done an amazing job of cataloging & bringing to light
so much of this subject & history and that it has for the most part been covered now
and there is just not that much more new content that hasn't been talked about here.

after all the Don's vs Trader Vics question is a well covered
subject since this site's early day's.

But with an influx of new people these questions will always be asked over & over
so it is the job of those of us who have been here for a number of years, to pass on & educate
this accumulated knowledge (And stay true to the actual history & subject) which tends to
get diluted with each new generation that follows us.



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AdOrAdam
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Posted: 2013-11-12 2:27 pm   Permalink

Tough decision - Dons in 1934 for a Zombie or Vics in 1944 for a mai tai?

The drinks are probably what I like the most, although if I was able to I'd go anywhere, it'd be less about the drinks. Somewhere that was packed out & tiki'ed up for a full on Chinese banquet straight out of an old 60s/70s photo.

The 'dining' element is something that I think is probably missing from modern tki bars, I'd have a corner booth & just people watch ~ I'd be happy with a coke!

Next December I'll be in Florida, Im hoping for a full on dining & stage experience at the Mai Kai
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2013-11-12 2:57 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2013-11-11 20:42, Atomic Tiki Punk wrote:
I would prevent Del Taco from ever buying out Naugles!




Big plus 100000 on that!


 
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2013-11-12 3:06 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2013-11-12 00:43, SuperEight wrote:
Another's promising thread brought to a screeching halt by ATP.

THANKS! You add so much to this site!



Wow, super 8. I think that is really harsh. And people say that I am the most negative, evil and sociopathic person here....

I went back and looked at some of your posts...like the "kinder and gentler tiki central" thread....seems like you have had it in for ATP for a while...

Have you ever met the man in person? Or as others do to me, are you judging him by his posts?

ATP is a VERY cool, nice person......

and are you really asking if he adds anything to this site? Hmmmmm.....does anyone except Phillip Roberts, Sven, John-o, White devil and a few others? Everyone adds something in their own way. ATP adds something by supporting the local tiki community by going to band's gigs, events, etc.....he goes WAY more then a lot of people on the forum. And by going, he is supporting those artists and vendors....


I wish people would lay off these personal attacks....I have been a victim of it, and it is a nasty business if you ask me.

If you don't like someone's post.....fark it!....just move on. No one is forcing you to respond. It pisses me off to see people get dumped on just for having an opinion....if anything, THAT is what is making people leave this site.
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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From: Costa Misery
Posted: 2013-11-12 4:58 pm   Permalink

Thank you Lucas for the kind words
but SuperEight is certainly entitled to his opinion
as you & I have been critical & opinionated ourselves on TC
it does put a target on our backs for those who have issue
with other viewpoints then their own, I do have to question
why some people become so consumed with what you or I
think or say & still feel a need to belittle us for it.

But we are more then that, aren't we
and if Buzzy & I can sit together and share a laugh
have a serious conversation, treat each other as we ourselves expect to be treated by others
This, just a couple of weeks ago (Remember our big blowup in 2009?)

We can all disagree with something said or others opinions, but do we have to be so small minded to vilify
someone for some words read on the Internet.

I hope not....Sorry TikiTacky for going off subject.

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TikiTacky
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Posted: 2013-11-12 8:14 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2013-11-12 13:49, Atomic Tiki Punk wrote:
My perception is Tiki Central has done an amazing job of cataloging & bringing to light
so much of this subject & history and that it has for the most part been covered now
and there is just not that much more new content that hasn't been talked about here.



I'll have to disagree with you there. For example, the other day I asked about the best way to try and repair a hairline crack in a tiki mug. There's been no consensus in the past, and the only response I got is from someone who said he doesn't even bother. I was surprised there wasn't more interest. Is there really no one out there who's ever tried to figure out the best way to handle a cracked mug short of giving up on it?

There's absolutely new stuff out there. New *old* stuff. A while back I posted about a new Trader Vic's drink menu I bought that even the venerable bigbrotiki hadn't seen before. AdOrAdam has posted some interesting bits he's dug up (one of my new favorite members with his enthusiasm!), and there's a great thread on here with a score of archival material from DTB that someone bought at an auction that's got new photos and articles. There's plenty of new stuff out there! And I'm not even including the new *new* stuff that people are creating.

I realize it looks like I'm asking odd questions. I definitely am! I've made it no secret that I'm working on a book about tiki mugs, and I'm researching the hell out of it. That includes questioning accepted wisdom, tracking down dates and locations, correcting misinformation, and just finding out what people are interested in. I'm trying to get a bit of a pulse of the tiki movement. Frankly, I'm not sure it isn't on life support. Don't even get me started on the tragic abandonment of the websites that people use to feed this hobby.

People got upset because I asked what their favorite tiki bars were. Sheesh! I was hoping to do some interviews with people who'd gone above and beyond for their tiki bars with some amazing creativity and resourcefulness, but instead people got huffy because, God forbid, I asked if people had favorites. Now people are upset because I'm asking them about their interest in the two founding fathers of the poly pop movement, and people are cranky because I didn't include that Chinese joint they went to on Punxsutawney as kids. The next thing I know, people are calling each other names.

All y'all need to have a few more Mai Tais.





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bigtikidude
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Posted: 2013-11-12 8:37 pm   Permalink

Blame FB for the no responses to yer mug question.


 
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TikiTacky
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Posted: 2013-11-12 9:20 pm   Permalink

I'm *always* willing to blame Facebook!

 
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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From: Costa Misery
Posted: 2013-11-13 01:56 am   Permalink

Well you keep asking your questions & that was me who replied on the broken mug thread....
but whom is getting mad?


 
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lucas vigor
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From: SOCAL
Posted: 2013-11-13 06:08 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2013-11-12 16:58, Atomic Tiki Punk wrote:

as you & I have been critical & opinionated ourselves on TC
it does put a target on our backs for those who have issue
with other viewpoints then their own, I do have to question
why some people become so consumed with what you or I
think or say & still feel a need to belittle us for it.


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Being critical and opinionated is FAR different then making personal attacks. For example, I have always said I hated the beatles...but never called anyone on this forum an idiot for LIKING the beatles. That's the difference. You keep having your opinions, ATP, and never let anyone tell you different!

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Atomic Tiki Punk
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From: Costa Misery
Posted: 2013-11-13 1:41 pm   Permalink

I concur Lucas.....

 
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Axle
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Posted: 2013-11-13 4:41 pm   Permalink

The Royal Hawaiian in Laguna Beach, bought it before the yuppies got it then soon after, ruined it.

 
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Sunny&Rummy
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From: Melbourne, FL
Posted: 2013-11-13 7:34 pm   Permalink

I think the answer to this question is obvious. Travel back to Trader Vic's to drink as many original Mai Tais and as much 17 year old Wray and Nephew as possible. Then buy several cases (or pallets!) of the stuff and bury it so that back in the present I can dig up my own lifetime supply!



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