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what is the update on bahooka's rufus??? the dreaded question continues?
Big Kahuna
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From: SoMass
Posted: 2014-05-15 7:11 pm   Permalink

OK, Fez. I've given you the benefit of the doubt through this whole thing, but to come on here, say you've got pics & 3+ hours later we're still waiting for them is a bit much. You shouldn't have said anything until you posted them!

 
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THOR's
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Posted: 2014-05-15 7:48 pm   Permalink

Fez...if you have info please post now. It's clear that holding info on this thread instills frustration...and this is very easy to understand. We are about a team effort here..."Ohana spirit". That goes for all. Can you please post the pictures?
Thank you


 
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ron-tiki
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Posted: 2014-05-16 05:54 am   Permalink

wow.. still no pics?


 
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THOR's
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Posted: 2014-05-16 07:56 am   Permalink

Just to keep this all honest. Lets be aware that pics and video can easily be found on the net of various species of Pacu in warm ponds raised in that environment. Unlike the story of Rufus. IF photos do appear here, which I am losing faith now as to such a thing, they need to be accompanied by a trustworthy witness or the press.
My personal feeling is that this entire thing is loaded with lies, cover ups and profit driven insentive over moral obligation or sincere concern for the outcome for Rufus. Trust me, more muck will continue to rise. Again, though a laborious and painfully prolonged process, this thread will serve its purpose progressively.

Here are a few samples of what I pulled off the net in just 3 minutes... THIS IS NOT RUFUS. Repeat! This is not Rufus.. But with a well told yarn of reassuring words...one could try to bullshit very easily. We have a core of very bright minds investing interest in exposing this whole saga...and the noise will only get louder till there are some REALLY SOLID facts and observations made of where this fish ended up. Sometimes staying focussed on a cause that has heart and principal behind it is well worth the headache!!!

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ron-tiki
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Posted: 2014-05-16 10:16 am   Permalink

Fez????


 
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ron-tiki
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Posted: 2014-05-16 3:16 pm   Permalink

24 hrs??? no word or pictures? nice job Fez..


 
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tikiskip
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Posted: 2014-05-16 3:26 pm   Permalink

This is one of our Koi fish from our pond we had him for over 8 years.
Something got him in the night.
This fish grew up in this pond so over the years it learned that MANY things
would try to eat him day and night, Herron, Raccoon, Skunk, that cat that many people have
that is an "outdoor cat" frogs even snakes.
The thing is this fish learned to hide and stay away from these things, lots of my fish were
not so good at this.
But Rufus was trained to come to sound as this meant hey I'm getting food.
Lets hope that he can learn real fast that he's not in a safe tank anymore.
It's going to be hard for him to adjust to many changes he will face in this new pond.

Trail cam.





 
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THOR's
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Posted: 2014-05-16 3:55 pm   Permalink

Fez, I seriously am one for having a ton of good faith in everyone's intentions on this cause,you included. However, I gotta step in here and express some thoughts on this recent Rufus Photo claim you made yesterday. I am having a VERY hard time with this and hoping you can break the silence and communicate here.

I have stated clearly on this thread several times, that what starts to get people seriously frustrated is when information is harbored or "controlled" rather than shared with a concerned community. You know that everyone is really feeling very hopeless about this situation and looking for all possible proof to make them feel otherwise. For you to wave a photo claim a day ago, then vanish without manifesting these, is much like waving a steak in front of the bars of a caged hungry tiger and then sitting on a chair and eating it in front of it. Really...you must see how this is provoking, if not "asking" to get the swipe of a claw upside the head. lol Please don't be alarmed or feel you are a victim when this happens, cause there are just too many people on here very tired of the games played by Mr. Zhu or others that have sabotaged the efforts of a happy outcome for this fish we had sentiment for. I hope you understand my concern and this makes sense.

The "press" is still" waiting for more to happen"..though following this saga closely. This was really a very simple thing that has turned into a nightmare of disfunction, which I fear has lead to a dismal outcome.


 
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SoCal Savage
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Posted: 2014-05-16 5:34 pm   Permalink

I haven't been on this since Wednesday, wow, what a difference a day can make...

When I spoke to them, Frank Syong and Chris Nichols had both reached out to Jorge but neither had been able to get in touch with him. I suspect this is either because Jorge knows the ugly truth or he doesn't want to get involved, maybe he's working with Zhu who knows.

Whatever the case may be, I've got to add my voice to the people expressing frustration at Fez coming on here and claiming to have pictures and then not putting them up or explaining why he couldn't. As ATP said there are lots of picture that have been uploaded by Fez of items to sell from the Bahooka. Constantly inserting yourself into the narrative and claiming "inside information" but never coming through is doing nothing to help this cause or help find a resolution and is understandably making lots of people who care and have contributed in some way question you. I'm one to always give people the benefit of the doubt, especially when I don't know them personally and I'm hoping there's some reason for this, but looking back over the history of this it's hard to stay positive.



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Big Kahuna
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Posted: 2014-05-17 05:28 am   Permalink

I'm done checking this thread! Someone please PM me if any real info comes to light.

 
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Posted: 2014-05-17 06:37 am   Permalink

I don' t blame you at all Big Kahuna. My patience is worn to a paper thin membrane as well.

I think at this point, the hope would be for the press, Frank or Chris, to recognize that there IS NEW story to tell..and NOW. We have plenty of updates since the initial articles were posted Months back. Amoung other things, we have:

1. All of those "representing Mr.zhu", now Jorge included, have failed to display any real follow through suggesting they truly were passionate about the final outcome of Rufus, ignoring all sources reaching out to them for closure. Their current stand is silence. This suggests foul play of some sort to me, fully. As So Cal Savage commented, I am beginning to believe that their loyalty to Alan Zhu, possibly money motivated, far outweighed their true concern for the outreach of this community or the welfare of Rufus. It feels very "slippery" to me...and all involved in this hush up conclusion.

2. We also have reached a progressive point in this story where we have seen a clear track record of Mr. Zhu and his spokesmen, making claims to appease the public concern for Rufus' mew home that NEVER came through. They told the press, when they decided to keep the fish, that their reasons were for the safety of the fish, and moving them, they agreed would be too risky. They stated as quoted by the press, that a new large 2000 gallon tank was being constructed for Rufus and the other Pacus that would be featured happily in this New restaurant. Zhu,s spokesman was even suggesting that the funds raised to move Rufus to Damon.s be given to him cover the costs of this new tank and the handling to do so. No tank ever was constructed !

3. After all this, we have to accidentally discover that Rufus is suddenly gone from his home...his former tank of 30 some years laying dry in the corner of a dusty construction mess. No explanation . Zhu felt no moral obligation to reassure this community that was more than obviously concerned for the outcome of Rufus, where the hell he had gone to. Like we should all just forget about the whole thing.

4. Then added to this, as well as an update for news, is this mysterious claim by Zhu, based only on his word, that he somehow transported this fish (How..a five gallon bucket ?) to, and I heard two versions of this story... a man made "river" or pond on his property, though I also heard it was on his wealthy friends property...and yet another person who spoke directly to the former Chef at Bahhoka said Zhu told him Rufus was thrown into a river in Long Beach!!!! What the hell is the REAL story??? My gut says its a fabricated story to get us all to shut up. Otherwise , Zhu and Jorge and any other involved party would be OVERJOYED to show communicate the happy outcome if for no other reason, to get people off his back!! Again, this guy is aware of the sentiment Rufus has to hundreds of people...likely more since this story was exposed outside our Tiki Community. He feels no obligation or humanitarian good will to invite the press to document the happy closure to the Rufus saga. We know his word is worth absolutely nothing, so we simply have a vanished Rufus.

I really would hope people reading this will also reach out to the press in numbers and impress their concern rather than just watch all this happening. Myself and So Cal Savage have done this and apparently have not impressed the fact, enough, that this INDEED is all NEW story to tell...NOW. It leaves the public to add up the evidence and use their instincts and gut to make some conclusions. If we cannot positively account for where this fish ended up... Be it a fish pond or a dumpster, we cannot make closure on this...PERIOD. In this case, I don't think we should be allowing Zhu to think everyone is supposed to shut up and join this community to go spend money to eat in his new restaurant, founded on such dark ,greedy and heartless circumstances. If that doesn't make for some bad ju ju nothing will!!

I want to remind everyone that Rufus is dear to the hearts of many. However, In addition to this, this entire story and its outcome is very symbolic for all of us here who proclaim our passion for preserving the spirit of "tiki" and the things it is made up of. We lose landmark places, ever so rapidly to greedy, culture ignorant developers, foreign and local. Rufus was very much the mascot and heart of Bahooka. I still can't believe he was left behind by the previous Bahooka family, frankly...and this is the result. Help tell this story!! Make a difference if we can...or at least be a community that displays a powerful united spirit to fight for what we so fondly embrace and celebrate!





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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Posted: 2014-05-17 09:15 am   Permalink

Thanks Thor, My words would not be so measured regarding Rufus's disappearance & Fez's continued role in all of this.

 
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TikiTacky
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Posted: 2014-05-17 09:43 am   Permalink

I think it might be time to write this off as a lost cause. It's clear Mr. Zhu and his compatriots are being shady, and that likely means one thing. The fact is, Mr. Zhu is in control of Rufus and he obviously has no interest in his welfare other than as a money making opportunity. Shame on the Bahooka owners for handing him over so casually, shame on Mr. Zhu for exploiting well-meaning tikiphiles, and shame on the others involved that have dragged this out for their own personal gain, whatever the hell that is.

There's also probably no point in getting the media involved. Mr. Zhu has proven he's untrustworthy, and he'll tell the journalists whatever will make him look better. Since the real situation right now would likely be bad for his future business, there can be no expectation that he would be forthcoming with the truth. So what if we saw pics of Rufus in a pond? As has been pointed out, those photos can't be trusted, and they SHOULDN'T be trusted. If Mr. Zhu thought it would benefit him, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he spent some money to get a new pacu and show it to the journalists—I'd actually be surprised if he didn't. The loss of business he faces from a bad story will FAR outweigh the cost of buying a new fish. It could also explain why there's this shadiness going on. Keep leaking information that Rufus is alive, but without any proof until you can actually figure out a way to get "proof."


 
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SoCal Savage
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Posted: 2014-05-17 10:19 am   Permalink

Well said Tom. I do think the uncaring way this situation has been handled and the possible callous demise of Rufus is symbolic for Tiki culture as well as just an example of pettiness and lack of empathy towards other species. The fact that money was raised and Damons was ready to take Rufus and now he may be dead just speaks loads.

Have you tried reaching out to this guy:

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/24747437/bahookas-giant-pacu-rufus-will-stay

I have been trying to email him but it automatically goes to a mail program I don't use. If we can get just one of these local press reporters to open the story back up it should build the same way it did months ago.

Also, I don't know these folks, but they put this video up on youtube a couple of weeks ago:

http://youtu.be/51a89YfNGKs






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THOR's
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Posted: 2014-05-17 11:00 am   Permalink

I just wrote him. AThanks Savage. His last article said.." The story continues". So I hope he meant that and will help pick this up! Anyone on here experienced with viral marketing? Lets raise this to the next level. I am goinfg start contacing some large social networks i have friends organizing. The objective is no longer to beg for clear answers...it is to Expose this all and hope for appropriate consequences if there was foul play.

 
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