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what is the update on bahooka's rufus??? the dreaded question continues?
SoCal Savage
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Posted: 2014-05-17 11:23 am   Permalink

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On 2014-05-17 11:00, THOR's wrote:
His last article said.." The story continues". So I hope he meant that and will help pick this up!



That's what I thought too. Maybe he'll actually want to follow up on it.

I agree it's not just about answers anymore but holding Zhu and anyone else accountable if they killed Rufus/let him die/covered up the facts and helped run interference here in the Tiki Community, etc.


 
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Posted: 2014-05-17 7:35 pm   Permalink



 
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ron-tiki
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Posted: 2014-05-17 8:12 pm   Permalink

FEZ ??

 
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PabTiki
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Posted: 2014-05-17 8:14 pm   Permalink

Why not write to some of the people who wrote about him last time?

Frank Shyong of the LA Times:
http://articles.latimes.com/2014/feb/17/local/la-me-ln-rufus-fish-tiki-restaurant-finds-home-20140217

Matthew Kang of LA.com:
http://la.eater.com/archives/2014/02/19/bahookas_37year_old_pacu_fish_causing_tensions.php

You can also speak to Damon's to get a quote (since they'd expressed an interest in taking him), to see if they've heard anything further.

And Lynn Garrett, founder of Hidden LA, who championed him in the past:
http://lynnster.com/

In fact, I'll guess Lynn Garrett (unless she's already on here) would be the first person to contact, since she managed to generate buzz about this back in February.

I think a "follow-up story" to / from these media outlets would be both appropriate and appealing to the writers involved.

I suggest activists here contact these people.

Who wants to take the ball from here? : )
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PabTiki
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Posted: 2014-05-17 8:17 pm   Permalink

(p.s. Those people can all be contacted from the masthead / "about" of each publication, or the websites themselves.

I would do it myself except to be perfectly honest I'd never heard about any of this until seeing all the despair on this forum and then tracking back to see what everyone's been so upset about. It sounds like a worthy cause so I thought I'd pitch in with some research, for what it's worth ... and probably not much!)

Wishing a good resolution for everyone ....
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THOR's
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Posted: 2014-05-17 9:29 pm   Permalink

Thank Pab,

You might have missed the posts here where we have contacted these people in this past week and the response is basically " we are waiting for something more to happen". What, I am not sure... Unless they are waiting for someone to get arrested while snorkeling in Mr. Zhu's koi pond. We have all kinds of things that have transpired since the first articles, yet so far, all are waiting for the final leaf to drop that springs the bear trap. Lynn has not stepped in on any further involvement in this in quite some time that I am aware of.
The trend seems to suggest we have too few people really willing to get involved and help instigate action. If you look at the number of people following this thread, compared to the handful reaching out to do something, you will see my point. We need more people leveraging their contacts and speaking out to the media...when that happens, we will find justice on this.


 
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Or Got Rum?
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Posted: 2014-05-18 08:44 am   Permalink

Many thanks to Thor, SoCal Savage and others that are trying to find clarity a midst the muck. I hope closure is near, but as like BK, Tikiskip and others have stated, it is not looking good. Although I love the fact that everyone initially came together for a possible solution to honor and save a part of what we love, which is the main thrust of what TC is all about...traditional Polynesian Pop and it's roots. Viewing from afar (30 minutes below the frozen Tundra of Lambeau field) I contributed and waited for things to transpire swimmingly (NPI) to a happy ending. Oh well, sometimes things become WAY more complicated than they really have to...thanks to greed, ego, and personal gain. Time to go to Locating Tiki....OGR



 
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Posted: 2014-05-18 09:48 am   Permalink

Baring any change in the situation, I suspect that any follow up story in the press will be tied to the reopening of the Bahooka space as a restaurant. If Rufus isn't there, isn't at Damon's, isn't apparently anywhere, then that's something an editor would find newsworthy. (It would also be news if there is a big Pacu fish at the new restaurant that doesn't look or act quite like we remember Rufus.)

It's definitely possible to get people talking about this issue before the reopening using social media. For the Esotouric video, I created a few hashtags, which can be used when tweeting, Facebooking, instagramming, etc around this issue: #saverufus #wheresrufus #rufusProofOfLife. If enough people tweet "at" or otherwise communicate these hashtags at media outlets, that will keep Rufus on their radar.

If you're inclined to, please feel free to link to the Esotouric page about Rufus at
http://esotouric.com/rufus, as it does point back to this forum and is a quick read and introduction to the current situation. I've updated the page to explicitly refer readers back to this thread for evolving updates, and to highlight those hashtags.

Thor, I was thinking, maybe you could simply update your lovely graphic into a MISSING poster format that could be shared through social media? Visual information is very effective at getting its message across, and people will remember seeing the drawing when Rufus was in the news earlier this year and wonder what's changed.


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SoCal Savage
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Posted: 2014-05-18 10:30 am   Permalink

OGR your next to last sentence sums this whole situation up pretty well.

Editrix thanks for the link. The page on your blog is a nice summary of where things stand for people who aren't on this forum.

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ErichTroudt
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Posted: 2014-05-18 12:44 pm   Permalink

Actually, that summary is missing a lot of what has transpired.

Lets all take a moment and look at this from a distance, I know some you you have "skin in the game" but just for a second lets review and consider some thoughts....

If the owner didn't care about rufus why would he have kept him around as long as he did? We know for a Fact he left rufus there and did construction around him because it he knew it would be harmful to move him.
We know for a fact he paid someone (jorge) to take care of him.

Why would he do this if he didn't care? He would have thrown him in the dumpster and continued on.


He gave a deadline of wanting to sell rufus. Tiki central and newspaper and fundraisers went to work...but if you review old threads, by the time damons agreed and measurements were made it was way past the deadline...
There was even possibilities of private owners but people on this website kept saying he should go somewhere public..

moving rufus safely became less important than moving him safely to a place "you" wanted.

The owner then changes his mind because the deadline was missed. Says he will build a tank. Says you can donate to the transport and tank.... people balk at that idea...why? because rufus isn't going where "they" want..... people come on here and say horrible rude things about him, his character, his business etc.

Why? because he changed his mind? Because you all missed the deadline? Because rufus didn't go where "you" wanted?

Rufus disappears...rumors abound.....is he in a tank? is he in the long beach river? is he in the pond?

People automatically assume the worst and call him more names....

the owner finally replies to the press, "rufus is alive and well in a pond"

a pond is better than the dumpster..... so obviously he still must care about the fish

people call him more names, say its not appropriate living space (even though internet video proves otherwise) and demand a picture... they discuss breaking into his property

They make demands after calling him more horrible names, a liar and threatening to perform illegal acts against him... then everyone sits back and wonders and complains why he won't come up with a picture?

In the chinese culture, "face" is a big thing. Once the owner said "he's alive and well", the press calling back and asking him to prove it is the owner losing face....you politely called him a liar, and I would be surprised if he ever speaks about it again...

That all said, the biggest thing here is... Rufus is a fish. Few different turns in life and hes on a south american dinner plate. Fish die every day being transported to pet stores, peoples houses,...we've all flushed a dead one down the toilet. He could die in the pond, he could have died at damons, he could just die for any reason, everything does..

This is beating a dead horse. It has to stop...people calling for "justice" and saying the owner needs to be held accountable for actions....its gone to far.

people keep demanding an answer that has been already given... Rufus is alive according to his owner.

Its done.

Just because he didn't end up where "you" wanted is no reason to keep dragging this out.

Its over.



 
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happy buddha
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Posted: 2014-05-18 1:14 pm   Permalink

Wait, what? Some sane perspective in this thread?

Erich for the win.


 
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howlinowl
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Posted: 2014-05-18 1:16 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2014-05-18 13:14, happy buddha wrote:
Wait, what? Some sane perspective in this thread?

Erich for the win.



Echoing a lot of what I was thinking....but I was afraid to post.
Much braver than I.

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Posted: 2014-05-18 1:17 pm   Permalink

I will comment in full when I get back to the laptop Erich. You missed many facts, and have no apparent appreciation for the true intent of this thread, which you are entitled to, but not here. Your info was totally re-interpreted to support your argument. You also don't share the same concern, or compassion that motivated this project., and again, it's a project based thread, not a debate forum. Thanks for your opinion, however we have a lot of people on board with this cause!
If you don't share the same passion, PLEASE skip over this thread to other areas on TC that you are more rewarding for you, Brother. We have a job to do here! Save your energy or help add to ours.
I appreciate any others jumping onto Erich's band wagon as having an opinion…others not sharing the same drive on this cause, however, this is my thread!
I am going to keep this OUT of being a "debate" on its "validity" of who "cares" and who does not..and keep it focussed on its intent! If you are inclined to not be onboard, start another thread or head to the Bilge and let out your frustrations!!
Respectfully, We just don't need any more crap distracting the inertia on this guys! I say this with love and a Mai Tai on me, my friend! lol
After finishing lunch here, I think I won't go into the energy of this and again, stay on track. Erich, if you read carefully through ALL the thread, past and present, you will see where you missed an AWEFUL lot of pertinent info that clearly supports the validity of the feelings motivating this thread. Please respect my passion for the cause and my thread. Aloha~



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Posted: 2014-05-18 1:20 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2014-05-18 12:44, ErichTroudt wrote:
...they discuss breaking into his property
and...
...threatening to perform illegal acts against him...



Erich, I think you have slightly mischaracterized what I, and a few others, have said. Our messages are pretty clear that we were using humor to take a bit of the edge off the situation and not actively or seriously considering, planning, or advocating illegal actions. I even said so in one of my posts in this thread. This thread has become a circus of sorts, and I'd like to suggest that there is little benefit for you to add fuel to the fire by making claims in an effort to underscore your points. Enuff said. Glad you chimed in though. Are you a friend or family member of Mr. Zhu? Heh, just kidding... Maybe...

Does Mr. Zhu really give a rats behind about Rufus? Everyone sees that the whole thing has blown up in his face. If Rufus is still alive, why doesn't he sell the fish to one of us? Surely many would come forward, buy the fish, and then donate him to Damon's. For Mr. Zhu or his friends or his family to maintain possession of Rufus makes no sense given the big PR mess that comes with hiding or hurting Rufus. To me this suggests that Rufus has very likely already met his demise.
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Posted: 2014-05-18 1:59 pm   Permalink

Exactly, Ace!

There was a few days we let off some steam by using levity and said as much in those posts
it was getting tense here & blowing our tops wasn't getting anywhere, by saying that we
actually meant to trespass or commit illegal acts is completely disingenuous and misleading!

Also it was not about getting our way (Placing Rufus in our choice of locations) it was
about Rufus's well being, our empathy for another living creature, we just want to know if
Rufus is alive at this point despite all indications otherwise.

Mr. Zhu & by proxy, Fez Moai has led us to understand certain conditions for the continued well being
of Rufus would be taken care of, unfortunately just the opposite has occurred.




 
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