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AceExplorer
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Joined: Apr 03, 2008
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From: Deep in the Jacksonville Florida jungle.
Posted: 2014-08-11 1:22 pm   Permalink

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On 2014-08-11 13:15, lunavideogames wrote:
Seriously though, I wish I had the chance to go to PKNY! I hear it was really great and the drinks were great too! I missed out...



PKNY came to the Hukilau two years ago and they ROCKED! Hand-carved ice blocks in each drink, awesome hollowed-out pineapples, and all was FREE to attendees. They exceeded all of our expectations and spent a small fortune. I got a couple of their business cards and display them in one of my liquor cabinets.


 
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tikitabby
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Joined: Dec 25, 2007
Posts: 30
From: Naramata, B.C.
Posted: 2014-08-11 1:46 pm   Permalink

'So if they do have carvings, then I think they would be at least one notch above Florida Tiki. There are numerous thatch-covered beer patios here in Florida which don't have any tikis and still call themselves a tiki bar.'

Here's a photo I took this past June - I think in spite of the carved tikis it's still not there. The location is stunning - so why all the big screen tvs? Re: Florida tiki - an interesting thing happened when we were staying in Key Largo. The woman at the resort said we could find cold water in the fridge underneath the 'tiki' by the pool. We went to the pool, no tiki. But there was a fridge underneath a larged thatched roof. So is this what a 'tiki' means in much of Florida? It might explain things.





 
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AceExplorer
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Joined: Apr 03, 2008
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From: Deep in the Jacksonville Florida jungle.
Posted: 2014-08-11 1:52 pm   Permalink

On 2014-08-11 13:46, tikitabby wrote:
So is this what a 'tiki' means in much of Florida? It might explain things.


Yes, unfortunately, that's what we have come to know as "Florida Tiki" - a thatched roof automatically means "tiki." But then it's also bad if tikis are painted wild colors - that's "Disney tiki." For example, Cocoa Palms Resort in Cocoa Beach ended up painting most, if not all, of their nice Mai Tiki carvings.


 
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thePorpoise
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Joined: Jan 23, 2011
Posts: 1249
From: Tampa Bay
Posted: 2014-08-11 2:15 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2014-08-11 13:46, tikitabby wrote:
So is this what a 'tiki' means in much of Florida? It might explain things.



yes, a "tiki" means a bamboo bar/hut with a thatched roof. it also implies said bar/hut will be partially or completely open-sided, will be in view of a body of water, and will have tropical drinks with umbrellas in them. aka, a beach bar...


 
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TikiHardBop
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Joined: Feb 21, 2009
Posts: 422
From: Rockledge, FL
Posted: 2014-08-11 2:26 pm   Permalink

It would be more technically accurate to call them "chickee bars" and if they went with that, I would give them a pass, but few people in the state of Florida know anything about the Seminoles outside of the football team and casinos. And forget about the Miccosukees or the Calusas!

 
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swizzle
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Joined: Jun 03, 2007
Posts: 871
From: Melbourne,Australia
Posted: 2014-08-11 2:32 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2014-08-11 13:52, AceExplorer wrote:

- a thatched roof automatically means "tiki."




That's so funny. I travelled down through the Keys after The Hukilau and my partner and i both came to the same conclusion, especially after stopping at the 'tiki' bar at Islamorada where we too, also didn't even bother looking at the menu.


 
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thePorpoise
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Joined: Jan 23, 2011
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From: Tampa Bay
Posted: 2014-08-11 2:34 pm   Permalink

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On 2014-08-11 14:26, TikiHardBop wrote:
It would be more technically accurate to call them "chickee bars" and if they went with that, I would give them a pass, but few people in the state of Florida know anything about the Seminoles outside of the football team and casinos. And forget about the Miccosukees or the Calusas!



or the Timucuan and Tocobaga!

you're right- they are chickee huts. wonder how the vocab got transposed decades ago...

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Hurricane Hayward
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Joined: Jun 07, 2008
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From: 16 miles from The Mai-Kai
Posted: 2014-08-19 01:12 am   Permalink

I wouldn't write off NYC as long as Brian Miller is still around. A few recent articles:
http://nypost.com/2014/08/16/pirate-bartender-is-bringing-tiki-back-one-cocktail-at-a-time/
http://gothamist.com/2014/08/16/a_bartending_pirate_plans_to_save_n.php

And I'm told there are plenty of non-Tiki joints around Gotham to get a great tropical drink or two. It's still perhaps the best bar town in the world.

I wholeheartedly agree that Florida's odd way of classifying a "tiki bar" can be infuriating. Especially when it's a story written by a writer at the newspaper that I work for. Get ready to slap yourself in the head:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/entertainment/on-the-eve-of-rivieras-tiki-closing-here-are-some-/ngXbR/

I responded to the writer with this e-mail:

Cute article, but you must know that Florida's idea of a tiki bar is wacky, and totally at odds with the rest of the world. Real tiki bars aren't dives, they're not huts on the water, and they definitely don't play Jimmy Buffett. I don't know what you should call those places (tropical dive bar?), but they're not Tiki. Check out The Mai-Kai some time. It blows everything else in Florida out of the water.


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pjc5150
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Joined: Jun 01, 2009
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From: Tampa, FL
Posted: 2014-08-19 08:56 am   Permalink

it pains me to see my fellow floridians jumping on the bandwagon of disparaging the sunshine state. it's like some of you are so worried about impressing other people in the genre or appearing to them to be part of the "enlightened crowd" that you'll join them in casting stones at your own home. I grew up here, and I am a very proud floridian.

the mai kai is here, and some of the best tiki artists in the country live here. that's where it starts for me.

bottom line, if you don't like it, do something about it. florida is coming up, and I'm going to be a part of that. if you'd rather sit on the sidelines and shit on everything so you can retain your membership with the "cool kids club"... do all of us here a favor and move out west. have a nice day.





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TikiHardBop
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Joined: Feb 21, 2009
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From: Rockledge, FL
Posted: 2014-08-19 2:47 pm   Permalink

I don't think any of the posters have anything against Florida per se, just the wanton cluelessness that seems to be rampant in this state. And I have earned the right to say that by living a full half century in this state, most of it within 3 blocks of where I was born. And nobody can accuse me, or any of the posters, of not helping things. We are all serious cheerleaders for the cause.
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tikitabby
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Joined: Dec 25, 2007
Posts: 30
From: Naramata, B.C.
Posted: 2014-08-19 2:58 pm   Permalink

I honestly don't see anybody disparaging Florida here. After all you have the Mecca of tiki temples in the Mai Kai!

 
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Hurricane Hayward
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Joined: Jun 07, 2008
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From: 16 miles from The Mai-Kai
Posted: 2014-08-20 01:59 am   Permalink

No offense to my adopted home state. I've been here since '75 and I'm not regretting my parents' decision. My intention was to highlight the longstanding conundrum we have here in this land 'o plenty in which the term "Tiki" is so misunderstood. Some 99.9% of the population couldn't care less. But I must quote from "Tiki Road Trip" ...

"The Sunshine State has 1,300 miles of coastline, and 800 of those miles are beach. Exploring the vacationland along this lengthy coast, the excitable Tiki hunter will spot something labeled as a Tiki bar approximately every 1.23612 miles. That's about 1,053 Tiki bars in Florida ... Don't get too excited, however, since the vast, vast majority of these pretenders ... are not precisely what most Tiki worshippers have in mind."

"Floridians have quite a different definition of a "Tiki bar" than the rest of the country seems to. As far as they're concerned, any open-air bar with a thatched roof near the water is a Tiki bar. ... I am sure that these "Florida-style" Tiki bars are a lot of fun and that plenty of people are having a great time at them as you read this. ... Perhaps The Mai-Kai sucked up all of Florida's available Tiki mana, leaving nothing left for the other bars to share."

I don't take any of this as seriously as Mr. Titelbaum. It's just one of those many quirks that we learn to live with as Tikiphiles in perhaps the quirkiest state in the union. It doesn't hurt to laugh at ourselves from time to time. Now, pass me a Corona and crank up the Jimmy Buffett :>)


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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Joined: Jul 19, 2009
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From: Costa Misery
Posted: 2014-08-20 02:13 am   Permalink

Criticism is not a bad thing, it is a way to get to the core problems or issues
with the hope it leads to improvement or very least some level of enlightenment.


 
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tikiskip
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Joined: Nov 26, 2005
Posts: 2851
Posted: 2014-08-20 06:25 am   Permalink

Can remember the time not too long ago that the sunshine state was disparaging the
Mai Kai.
The state officials were on the Mai Kai then the reviews online were not so good, lots
of these bad reviews were from people that live in Florida if you go and look at them.

When I used to say I went to the Kahiki here in town or would tell people to
go to the Kahiki I would get "I heard the food sucked"
BUT once the Kahiki was going to close everybody now loves the Kahiki, even
the people who sold the Kahiki to be torn down LOOVEES the Kahiki and are sad to see it go.

I used to love Columbus, but they fell into this get rid of all this old stuff and revitalize
our town mode, lots of these folks were from out of town and had no love for any of Columbus
truly great places.
Well the town I loved was not so great anymore, and I'm not so blind not to say it.

Looks more like Florida has lost it's love for what we call true tiki but
then so has lots o places like Hawaii.
Don't know how well the Mai Kai would be doing if it were not for the huge shot
in the arm that the Hukilau and true tiki folks have given it.

It's good to root for your town and help spread the word help fix ect, I did it here at Tropical Bistro and it fell on deaf ears.
To me the old spots with a history are the best so maybe the problem is me.

But then the Bistros spot has a new "revitalized" brew pub that will be out in a few years.



 
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TikiHardBop
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Joined: Feb 21, 2009
Posts: 422
From: Rockledge, FL
Posted: 2014-08-20 6:35 pm   Permalink

I'm not sure you can say that folks in Florida have lost their love for tiki, they just don't know exactly what tiki is. Like college kids that are introduced to drinking via Jager Bombs and pink concoctions served out of a garbage can, there is a pretty steep learning curve involved. Like mentioned before, most people think of tiki as Jimmy Buffet and neon-colored drinks. Once you take time to show them what it's really about, most people get on board pretty quickly.

For example, I had a couple who were all into the Jimmy Buffet-as-tiki thing until I explained to them my whole theory about tiki and finding the "chi" of things. Next thing you know, at the next tiki party, they have leis for everyone -- flown in from Hawaii. Talk about getting it!


 
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