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Benzart
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|  Posted: 2005-09-11 06:44 am Permalink
One thing I forgot to say was something MonkeyMan already found out. A nice set of chisels and gouges will Enhance your carving experience More than you can believe. Your carvings will be much the better for it.
Here is another thread on sharpening:
http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=8722&forum=7&hilite=sharpening%20chisels
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Moondance
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| Posted: 2005-09-13 8:56 pm Permalink
I found this on Woodcraft's website
Sharpening Carving Chisels
By: Rick and Ellen Bütz
From: Woodcraft Website
The carver’s chisel is beveled on both sides, unlike the chisel that cabinetmakers and carpenters use, which is flat on one side and ground at a 25-degree angle on the other. Cabinetmaker’s chisels are designed for paring the straight, flat edges of woodworking joints. Because of the shape of the cutting angle, you cannot carve very well with them. They tend to dig in or skip out of the wood, depending on which side you are using.
Carving chisels are beveled on both sides at a 20-degree angle. This allows you to carve at a more efficient angle and remove chips cleanly. These flat chisels, often designated as sweep no. 1, are used to set in straight lines on relief carvings or to smooth the surface of a rounded shape, such as the top edge of the wing on an American eagle carving.
Carving chisels’ cutting edges can be ground perpendicular to the shaft of the blade or at an angle. The angled gouges, called skew chisels, are useful for getting into corners and other narrow spaces.
A carver’s chisel is sharpened almost the same way as a knife. Put a few drops of oil on a sharpening stone for lubrication. Hold the chisel at a 20-degree angle to the stone, and slide the cutting edge up and down along the length of the stone. Work both sides of the blade evenly until a burr edge forms along the cutting edge.
Test for the burr by very lightly dragging your finger away from the cutting edge. If you can feel a slight roughness, the blade is ready for the next step. You can remove the burr edge with just a strop the same way you did with the knife, or you can use a slip stone to hone away some of the burr before the final polishing on the strop.
Hold a square ceramic slip stone at a 45-degree angle to the blade, and stroke it lightly along the cutting edge. Do this on both sides of the blade.
Then remove any remaining bits of burr edge and polish the tool with a leather strop. Draw the blade across the strop away from the cutting edge the same way you did with the knife. Work first one side of the blade and then the other until the whole burr is removed.
Just rest the cutting edge of the blade very lightly on your fingernail. If the blade skids across your nail, it needs more work. If it catches slightly or feels sticky, the blade is ready to use.
Skew chisels are sharpened the same way as straight ones, except that you hold the tool at an angle to the side of the sharpening stone so that the cutting edge is perpendicular to the length of the stone. Hold it in the same position when you strop.
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Moondance
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| Posted: 2005-11-02 06:09 am Permalink
Does anyone know anything about these? I bought one from the worst eBay seller I've encountered. It arrived 25 days later with NO BITS!!!!
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET CHISELS FOR THIS??!!
HELP
Wes
Sorry for the whining
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HelloTiki
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| Posted: 2005-11-02 08:27 am Permalink
I just chipped the end off of BRAND NEW $32 V-parting Henry Taylor chisel (because of an old nail buried deep within a palm log).
Watch out! And see if you can get a warantee with the little buggers.
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Moondance
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| Posted: 2005-11-02 5:35 pm Permalink
This is the piece of crap I was referring to.
Does anyone know where to get chisels for this??
wesley
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Benzart
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| Posted: 2005-11-02 7:02 pm Permalink
Most of the Flexcut bits should work great. Several tool suppliers have them
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Moondance
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| Posted: 2005-11-04 2:30 pm Permalink
Ben-
If I post a close up of the bit could you tell if it will work??
The flexcut chisels I found were around 100 for 8 chisels.
wes
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Polynesiac
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| Posted: 2005-11-04 2:35 pm Permalink
hellotiki -
grind the chisel beyond "crack" and re-sharpen. good as new
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Moondance
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| Posted: 2005-11-04 3:21 pm Permalink
Ben-
If I post a close up of the bit could you tell if it will work??
The flexcut chisels I found were around 100 for 8 chisels.
wes
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Beachbumz
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From: 21°/156° MAUI
| Posted: 2010-01-09 11:56 am Permalink
Hi carver's, I'm wanting to purchase some other chisels and I found this set of 12 pcs made out of vanadium steel with wood handles for under $40.00...
These are the chisels it comes with
#7 SWEEP 1/4" GOUGE
#7 SWEEP 3/8" GOUGE
#7 SWEEP 5/8" GOUGE
#5 SWEEP 1" GOUGE
#7 SWEEP BENT 3/4" FISHTAIL GOUGE
#7 SWEEP 1/2" BENT GOUGE
5/16" STRAIGHT
9/16" STRAIGHT
3/4" BENT STRAIGHT
9/16" SKEW
#13 SWEEP V-PARTING
#14 SWEEP V-PARTING
Made By Smith & Wesson
and even a wood box...  
What do you think, Is is a waste of money? I was looking to spend under $75 or so for a set..
Thanks for the help..
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Benzart
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| Posted: 2010-01-10 04:23 am Permalink
Hey Beachbumz, actually this looks like an upgraded cheap china set you can buy all over the net for about the same price. Never forget, "YOU GET WHAT YOU PAID FOR" and it applies here. The Chinese have been working wood long before steel tools were invented and like the Japanese they have been making Superior carving tools for a long time and I Promise you that they know the difference between the inferior tools and the crap that they sell us on eBay.
If you are gonna carve a tiki or 2 and never use the tools again you can use these and maybe get by. You will not be able to get them to hold an edge as the steel is way inferior.
My advice is to PASS on these and get some Henry Taylors or Flexcuts of Pheils , anything but these. These "Professional Sets" are very tempting to the new carver but don't take the bait!
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Beachbumz
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| Posted: 2010-01-10 10:12 am Permalink
Thanks Benz, after reading many reviews I'm going to save up for something better.. They just looked so tempting.. but the reason I wanting to upgrade is to get something that stays sharp..
Mahalo's again..
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benella
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From: Meudon, France
| Posted: 2010-01-10 11:21 am Permalink
Hi Beachbumz,
Benzart is totally right about those chisels... forget them.
For me, you'll need
3 chisels: small, middle and big size,
1 "V-parting" gouge,
2 almost flat gouges a small and a bigger one.
I started this way and when I need some more, I buy one by one.
I prefer the Pfeils that are almost unbreakable and stay sharp longer than others but that's only my choice !
http://www.pfeiltools.ch/cgi-bin/flexi060614?WEB=SQU0-NRHb0kAAO9MMoMAAACk&Q=&S=3:1:::::::1::&P=&MT=main2
Good luck,
Benjamin.
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Beachbumz
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| Posted: 2010-01-11 10:54 pm Permalink
benella - Mahalo's again for the info on the Pfeil tools, I'm definatly going that route and getting the better chisels... I plan on carving as much as possible once i get some more free time... oh and dry logs
Aloha
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pdrake
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| Posted: 2010-01-12 12:20 am Permalink
beachbumz, i bought my really good, older set on ebay. keep an eye out there. older tools are often better quality despite their age. a little cleaning, sharpening and polishing will restore them. things were often made better in the past. well, at least tools were. i love harbour freight, but there's a limit to what those tools are capable of, despite the artist.
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