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The bar at Rhum Portland (Maine) Prepares To Open
AceExplorer
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Posted: 2016-02-08 12:00 pm   Permalink

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On 2016-02-08 11:49, tikiskip wrote:
The problem with "refined take on Tiki" to me is those places mostly look
like a new Starbucks with a few tiki thrown in and some float lights.
Plus for me the old grungy tiki is my style.
That or Mai Kai/ Kahiki.



Good points, Skip. I can see someone doing "minimalist tiki" and pulling it off well, but it's tough if you don't have the right lighting and the right amount of organic matter in the design. Otherwise it could just be some sort of hideously stark Miami-esque design.

Compared to the other carved figures typically used, Moais were not as prominent in the mid-century tiki scene. However moais are quite minimalist when held up to other carvings. A nice "moai lounge" with subdued lighting where you can relax, drink, and socialize would be awesome. I'm thinking Las Vegas or Miami or New York......

I agree with your like of "grungy tiki." Anyone who has been to one of the great old tiki palaces can recognize it immediately. That's what you need to relax, drink, and socialize, and this is quite enjoyable, therefore also repeatable for customers, and potentially successful in the long-run. Everyone should have a place like this nearby. If not, then thank the tiki gods that we can make small enclaves within our own homes.

Does what I wrote make sense?


 
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JenTiki
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Posted: 2016-02-08 12:01 pm   Permalink

I think "refined tiki" is what the ill-fated Tiki Hideaway here in Charlotte was going for, although he called it "Trader Vic's meets Mad Men." It doesn't work. It's trying to be two different things and succeeding at neither. I think of "refined" and "tiki" as being mutually exclusive, at least when it comes to decor, but not drinks. Tiki bars should be dark, cluttered, mysterious, and have a "collected" feel about them. On the other hand "refined tropical" I can get behind since tropical doesn't necessarily mean tiki. For my tastes, the space is too large and open. I want little nooks and cozy spaces in a tiki bar, not a big hard surfaced warehouse feel. Even at the quite large Trader Vic's in Emeryville, the little nook at the back end of the bar area is the space everyone gravitates to if your party is small enough.

And really, I just can't support a bar that's not making its Mai Tais fresh.


 
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El Jefe
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Posted: 2016-02-08 12:03 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2016-02-08 11:49, tikiskip wrote:
The problem with "refined take on Tiki" to me is those places mostly look
like a new Starbucks with a few tiki thrown in and some float lights.
Plus for me the old grungy tiki is my style.
That or Mai Kai/ Kahiki.

Then ya got the ten dollar or more drinks.
Would rather have not so great drinks at half that price and drink all night.

Have found that when you mix sweet and sour with other stuff it's ok for a bit,
say few hours.
But if it stays mixed for long the acid may kinda taint the drink.
So if they burn through the drinks and don't keep the mix long it may be ok.
Chi Chis (Mexican) here put the Long Island ice teas on a gun, they were good.



I understand what you mean with the Starbucks comparison. It can seem sterile if not done correctly. While I like the style of the places you mentioned best I can appreciate some of the more modern scaled back places.


 
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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2016-02-08 12:05 pm   Permalink

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On 2016-02-08 12:01, JenTiki wrote:
For my tastes, the space is too large and open. I want little nooks and cozy spaces in a tiki bar, not a big hard surfaced warehouse feel. Even at the quite large Trader Vic's in Emeryville, the little nook at the back end of the bar area is the space everyone gravitates to if your party is small enough.



Jen, this is what the Trader Vic's in Portland Oregon has done well. They've got a corner lot, but they've broken up the space with organic/tropical themed dividing elements. You're in a large restaurant, but depending on where you choose to be seated, you can have a very intimate evening at your table, even if you're at the bar.


 
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tikiskip
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Posted: 2016-02-08 12:22 pm   Permalink

Moais?
The tiki they have are from Indonesia I think, you know that World Market crap.

So they got Octopus, Pirate, tiki with a Giraffe on it, that wall paper the green stuff with the crossed bamboo and brass pineapple lamps on the walls.
It's a miss mash of styles for sure and not in a Bahooka kinda way.

May look good in dim light but dam they don't seam to have that either.

Three Dots was said to be "minimalist tiki" and was all ready to hate that, but that place was awesome when we went.

Maybe they will knock it out of the park without our two cents.




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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2016-02-08 12:54 pm   Permalink

Bummer! Still hoping they'll do well business-wise and learning-wise. They will come interact with other tikiphiles, no doubt, and it may provide new and better ideas.

The wallpaper sounds hideous, like something I would have found at my grandma's home. Maine is a different mind-set, it's a unique part of the country. So this tiki stuff may be groundbreaking for their locale. I hope to see some more photos and trip reports here in the near future.


 
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tikiskip
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Posted: 2016-02-08 2:13 pm   Permalink

"The wallpaper sounds hideous, like something I would have found at my grandma's home"

YES! that's it!
In the grandma's bathroom no less, maybe a sun porch.
Here it is you judge.
Man I know most tiki spots won't fit my mold, but this one is kind of a mish mash.





[ This Message was edited by: tikiskip 2016-02-08 14:14 ]


 
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Thortiki
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Posted: 2016-02-08 2:17 pm   Permalink

Upon entering:

1. Twenty+ permanent fixed luncheonette bar stools, who needs rattan

2. Don't think James Brown or Eric Burdon were into Tiki.

3. IF the thatch falls down they could hang some harpoons.

This establishment may need a Humuhumu/Bamboo Ben Tiki consult.



 
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JenTiki
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Posted: 2016-02-08 2:25 pm   Permalink

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[ This Message was edited by: tikiskip 2016-02-08 14:14 ]


I kinda like the pineapple light, but that wallpaper is horrendous. The lattice isn't bamboo and those flowers look like they might be plumeria, but only with a big stretch of the imagination. Ugh!


 
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kkocka
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Posted: 2016-02-08 5:09 pm   Permalink

I retract my earlier comments.

 
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HopeChest
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Posted: 2016-02-08 8:15 pm   Permalink

That wallpaper is a whole 'nother level of awful. There is no amount of drugs - prescription or psychedelic - that could ever make that either tiki or tolerable.

However, I do quite like that pineapple lamp fixture. And I'm also now wondering: what DID James Brown think of tiki...?


 
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Heath
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Posted: 2016-02-09 07:53 am   Permalink

Personally I like the wallpaper, yes I said it, I LIKE it!
In the photo, the bricks are painted black and a brownish-grey color and there's only one little wall sconce, that tells me that part of the room most likely won't be brightly lit. Throw shelves and artwork on top of the paper, it becomes much more subdued and more of a background.



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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2016-02-09 08:50 am   Permalink

The pineapple sconce can be purchased, see my screen capture below. I did a Google search for "pineapple wall sconce" and clicked on the "shopping" tab.

From the photo of the wallpaper and the light, the problem I see is that both the light and the wallpaper are very "busy" looking. Both get visually "lost" together. While the wallpaper is cool in a way, my preference would be to keep the light and tone down the wallpaper with a different design, or even better, use some kind of woven thatch wall covering.

My apologies to the Rhum bar -- I want to be constructive and helpful. But I was curious enough to look up that light fixture and share its availability with others here.




 
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RevBambooBen
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Posted: 2016-02-09 09:34 am   Permalink

I was going to say it looks like a Bar Rescue job but they would never pay 105.00 for that pineapple sconce!

This is a Neo Tiki bar. Not a Tiki Bar.

My 2 cents.
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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2016-02-09 09:59 am   Permalink

Ben, I thought of you when I wrote my post, figuring you'd have a heart attack if you saw this combo.

Good call on it being Neo Tiki, and I know they're not done yet. Regardless of how "good" or "bad" a project like this is, I'm glad that tiki is still inspiring people to do things, and they're trying to create something people will enjoy. As cold as it gets there in the winter, I hope they succeed in creating a little tropical paradise and will be successful. Regardless of the interior, I hope they ensure that at least some of their drinks are high quality.


 
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