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Liquor for Flaming Drinks: A Comparison
AceExplorer
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Posted: 2016-08-01 08:29 am   Permalink

For comparison purposes, what is the alcohol content of the two brands? That may have an impact on the quality and duration of the burn. I don't know if pure lemon extract (lemon oil?) is too strong to sell undiluted, and that's why they mix it with alcohol. Or maybe the pure (undiluted) extract is impractical because the volume is too small to sell in convenient bottle sizes. Those are two possible reasons.

I just picked up two bottles of lemon extract at Sam's. My local Costco hasn't had lemon extract ever from the 10 or so times I've looked. I finally went to Sam's and found it there.

Side note: I may use a bit of my lemon extract in some food, I have thought about making a lemony aioli for dipping. I'm going to test some new home bar appetizers for my bar nights.


 
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Jeff Bannow
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Posted: 2016-08-01 08:36 am   Permalink

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On 2016-08-01 08:29, AceExplorer wrote:
For comparison purposes, what is the alcohol content of the two brands? That may have an impact on the quality and duration of the burn. I don't know if pure lemon extract (lemon oil?) is too strong to sell undiluted, and that's why they mix it with alcohol. Or maybe the pure (undiluted) extract is impractical because the volume is too small to sell in convenient bottle sizes. Those are two possible reasons.

I just picked up two bottles of lemon extract at Sam's. My local Costco hasn't had lemon extract ever from the 10 or so times I've looked. I finally went to Sam's and found it there.

Side note: I may use a bit of my lemon extract in some food, I have thought about making a lemony aioli for dipping. I'm going to test some new home bar appetizers for my bar nights.



I'm not sure - I've seen notes online that McCormick is 166 proof, but nothing indicating what proof the GFS is. It might very well be lower alcohol, though as you can see in the comparisons the lemon oil definitely plays a part too. The 166 proof McCormick burns better than 190 proof grain alcohol, so there's something else going on there.

I also have never seen it at Costco, but Sam's around me carries it regularly.


 
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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2016-08-01 09:28 am   Permalink

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On 2016-08-01 08:36, Jeff Bannow wrote:
The 166 proof McCormick burns better than 190 proof grain alcohol, so there's something else going on there.



Interesting! I wouldn't have guessed that, thanks for sharing. It also makes me wonder what "lemon extract" actually contains besides alcohol. Is it the oil from the yellow part of the skin? I think it is, and the alcohol is somehow used to dissolve and help leach the oil out of the lemon skins. There are a bunch of "how to make lemon extract at home" articles in Google, but I don't have time to drill down into those now.

I made a list of things to test-burn a couple of years ago, then because taking pictures was kind of a hassle at the time, set it aside and ended up forgetting all about it. I think when I find that list, I'll make the tests, just so we have that data posted here for the benefit of others. And cuz its fun to make some zombies and burn stuff! ha...


 
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Posted: 2016-08-01 10:14 am   Permalink

According to the McCormick website:



I would assume it is the oil from the peels. Especially since we know that's what flares when you squeeze a peel over an open flame.


 
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Jeff Bannow
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Posted: 2016-08-01 10:16 am   Permalink

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On 2016-08-01 09:28, AceExplorer wrote:
I made a list of things to test-burn a couple of years ago, then because taking pictures was kind of a hassle at the time, set it aside and ended up forgetting all about it. I think when I find that list, I'll make the tests, just so we have that data posted here for the benefit of others. And cuz its fun to make some zombies and burn stuff! ha...



That's exactly how I ended up making this thread. If you have anything you want me to test that I didn't hit on the first page, let me know and I can add it to the comparison. It's been a fun project.


 
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Jeff Bannow
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Posted: 2016-08-01 10:17 am   Permalink

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On 2016-08-01 10:14, JenTiki wrote:
According to the McCormick website:

I would assume it is the oil from the peels. Especially since we know that's what flares when you squeeze a peel over an open flame.



There ya go! Yeah, I assumed the same thing. I wonder if just soaking my spent lemon shells in 190 proof would do it. Although, for the price it's not really worth the hassle.

Especially since I turn all my spent shells into oleo saccharum already.
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JenTiki
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Posted: 2016-08-01 10:51 am   Permalink

One of the "make your own extract" posts on the internet says to zest your lemons then add the zest and some sugar to 80 proof vodka for about a month, shaking the bottle daily. Then strain through cheesecloth. If I were doing it for flaming, I personally would leave out the sugar. You certainly don't want to add the bitterness of the white pith of the peel, so zesting seems to make some sense. However, I would think you'd lose a lot of the oil in the process of zesting, so I'm not sure that's the answer either.

 
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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2016-08-01 11:15 am   Permalink

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On 2016-08-01 10:51, JenTiki wrote:
One of the "make your own extract" posts on the internet says to zest your lemons then add the zest and some sugar to 80 proof vodka for about a month, shaking the bottle daily. Then strain through cheesecloth. If I were doing it for flaming, I personally would leave out the sugar. You certainly don't want to add the bitterness of the white pith of the peel, so zesting seems to make some sense. However, I would think you'd lose a lot of the oil in the process of zesting, so I'm not sure that's the answer either.



This makes a lot of sense, Jen. Zesting exposes the oils to oxygen, potentially causing some oxidation on the spot. And also yes, avoid the sugar, unless it's really needed as an additional component (fuel) to help the burning.

So many things to test.



 
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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2016-08-01 11:17 am   Permalink

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On 2016-08-01 10:16, Jeff Bannow wrote:
That's exactly how I ended up making this thread. If you have anything you want me to test that I didn't hit on the first page, let me know and I can add it to the comparison. It's been a fun project.



Let's see if I can find my original notes. I created a matrix using 4 or 5 different things with 4 or 5 different flammable liquids. I know they're buried somewhere when I cleared off my bar for a big party one night. So much for "cleaning up." More like "lose stuff for a long time." Sheesh...


 
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Jeff Bannow
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Posted: 2016-08-01 11:17 am   Permalink

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This makes a lot of sense, Jen. Zesting exposes the oils to oxygen, potentially causing some oxidation on the spot. And also yes, avoid the sugar, unless it's really needed as an additional component (fuel) to help the burning.

So many things to test.




If someone tries it out, I'd love to see the results. Due to how cheap I can get lemon extract here, it's not worth it from a financial aspect for me. Still might be fun to play with though ...

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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2016-08-01 11:20 am   Permalink

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On 2016-08-01 11:17, Jeff Bannow wrote:
If someone tries it out, I'd love to see the results. Due to how cheap I can get lemon extract here, it's not worth it from a financial aspect for me. Still might be fun to play with though ...



Yup, me too. I'm thinking lemon zest and Everclear. And also, lime zest and Everclear. Then I'm also wondering what's the difference between lime oil and lemon oil? Or how about grapefruit oil? Interesting...


 
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Jeff Bannow
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Posted: 2016-08-01 11:21 am   Permalink

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On 2016-08-01 11:20, AceExplorer wrote:
Yup, me too. I'm thinking lemon zest and Everclear. And also, lime zest and Everclear. Then I'm also wondering what's the difference between lime oil and lemon oil? Or how about grapefruit oil? Interesting...



Not sure, but it sounds tasty. If I made it at home, I might end up drinking it instead of burning it!
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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2016-08-01 11:38 am   Permalink

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On 2016-08-01 11:21, Jeff Bannow wrote:
Not sure, but it sounds tasty. If I made it at home, I might end up drinking it instead of burning it!



You're not kidding, Jeff! Your comment makes me think that this could easily lead a person into making home-made bitters.


 
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Posted: 2018-09-08 08:41 am   Permalink

Lemon Extract experimentation



 
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Jeff Bannow
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Posted: 2018-09-17 08:02 am   Permalink

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On 2018-09-08 08:41, SoBeTiki wrote:
Lemon Extract experimentation





Looking good there! Which lemon extract brand is that?


 
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