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Prettyman's Atoll - planning a complete rebuild
Prettyman's Atoll
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From: Pinole, California
Posted: 2018-02-13 9:22 pm   Permalink

Hamo, you tease! I can't wait to hear your ideas!

 
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Hamo
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Posted: 2018-02-15 9:40 pm   Permalink

Okay then, cogitate on these humble suggestions:

You’d mentioned wanting a clear division between the tiki room and the rest of the house. If you turn the stairs 90 degrees and enclose it with a partition wall, you could create that “antechamber” feeling and cause people to turn their bodies multiple times to enter, thus accentuating the distinction. It would also add some wall space to hang things on, and give the room some interesting dimension beyond a open “box.” If you moved that one exterior door to the base of the stairs, it could better utilize the space, and share in that antechamber feeling, too.

And what if your table had an L-shaped booth? It would be less confining at the bar, and you might be able to add a few more chairs around the side.

I made a few quick sketches to help illustrate what I mean.



You might also consider swapping the locations of the train layout and table so things aren’t so crowded in that corner by the bar.



Or you could keep the perpendicular booths, put up another partition wall and move the other exterior door to make another enclosed entrance. This might also allow for building a “hut” around the table and booths.



Obviously I don’t know your room dimensions, so these sketches aren’t to scale, and these thoughts might not work in reality.

Another way to provide separation of spaces at the doorways might be to hang curtains to create “foyers.” I don’t know if they all had these, but a few years ago, an Old Navy store near me had a “quick change dressing room,” which was essentially a half-circular rod with curtain attached to the wall in front of a mirror. You could hang something similar in front of your exterior doors. I was recently in a downtown Denver restaurant that has a similar setup serving as an airlock to keep out the winter weather. (Sorry; no crude drawing of this...).


 
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Prikli Pear
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From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted: 2018-02-16 07:11 am   Permalink

Hamo, I really like your idea for the steps and that door. Efficient use of space. There are lots of variations to that concept that could allow for great creativity. Even something simple like adding a bamboo or beaded curtain at the bottom of the steps could add to the effect.


 
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Prettyman's Atoll
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From: Pinole, California
Posted: 2018-02-16 08:09 am   Permalink

Hamo, these ideas are great! Thank you for your generous brainstorming! I like all three, but especially #3, and my wife prefers #2 somewhat over #3, so I'll be creating some design options today based on your brainstorming and will share it back as soon as I'm done. I do have one question--other than needing to use more expensive security hinges if the doors swings outward, do you have a reason for having the two side doors swing inward?

 
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Prettyman's Atoll
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From: Pinole, California
Posted: 2018-02-16 1:31 pm   Permalink

Hamo, thank you again for your brainstorming and suggestions. This is exactly the sort of feedback I was hoping to get from the folks here at Tiki Central.

I've worked up Hamo's three ideas and my original plan as design options, and I'll present them below momentarily. I think turning the entry stair 90º and walling it in is genius, and that will definitely become a part of the design. Likewise, I really like the idea of moving the booth to the side of the room opposite the bar is great, and that will also almost certainly become a part of the design. Finally, changing the booth to be an L-shape is a much better use of space and actually results in a greater number of people being able to sit around the table, if additional chairs are brought in.

To refresh your memory, this was my original, pre-Hamo design:




And here are Hamo's three brainstormed designs:

Hamo's first brainstorm:




Hamo's second brainstorm:




Hamo's third brainstorm:




The only brainstorm idea not to work out is the first, and that's only because the curio cabinet restricts the flow of people at a couple of key areas. Move that cabinet to the south side of the entry staircase wall (as in his second design), and that problem is solved.

Of the three, I now agree with my wife that Hamo's brainstorm #2 will work the best for us. It gives us a lot of flexibility for the use and seating arrangement of the booth, it leaves plenty of space in the center of the room, there are no bottlenecks to people moving around or through the room, and we'll have a nice big design opportunity when/if the train table exits the tiki room.

Hamo and Prikli, whenever you may find yourselves in the SF Bay Area, consider yourself welcome at Prettyman's Atoll!


 
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HopeChest
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Posted: 2018-02-16 5:22 pm   Permalink

Hello, fellow East Bay resident! Very cool to see another local bar build-out! I am enjoying seeing the ideas here. Good luck!

 
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Prikli Pear
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Posted: 2018-02-16 6:32 pm   Permalink

If I ever get back to SF, you better believe I'm going to check out the Atoll. This is gonna be killer once you're done! Thanks for the invite!

 
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uncle trav
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Posted: 2018-02-17 04:34 am   Permalink

Great thread! I’m a big fan of heavy ordnance in the home bar. I have incorporated a couple of big boys in my bar and they blend in well. Keep up the good work.
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Hamo
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Posted: 2018-02-17 9:51 pm   Permalink

I agree with you and your missus; that second drawing does look like it will work best.

Quote:

On 2018-02-16 08:09, Prettyman's Atoll wrote:
I do have one question--other than needing to use more expensive security hinges if the doors swings outward, do you have a reason for having the two side doors swing inward?


No specific reason. I guess I just assumed exterior doors normally swing inward, since I don’t think I’ve encountered it any other way.

I’m excited to see everything come to life. It’s very generous of you to extend an invitation. I’m actually considering a trip to the Bay Area in late November/early December. Better get working....


 
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Prettyman's Atoll
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From: Pinole, California
Posted: 2018-02-18 10:37 am   Permalink

Hamo,

You are most welcome in November/December, but don't get your hopes up about Prettyman's Atoll v2.0 being done (or even started for that matter). We've still got to figure out how to pay for it, to say nothing of the permitting process or the actual construction. Our pessimistic estimate is that it will be done within 2-3 years, but of course we'll do it as soon as possible and we hope to be able to relax in the newly rebuilt bar well before then. On the other hand, the most optimistic estimate calls for demolition beginning this fall, which would mean you'd see Prettyman's Atoll v1.9 (aka a muddy hole in the ground or maybe a brand-new concrete slab). Check back around late summer and I should be able to give you a much firmer idea of the actual construction timeframe.

As far as the doors go, my understanding is that residential exterior doors tend to open inwards for better security and more convenience for the homeowner coming home in the rain or with hands full of packages, but that commercial exterior doors almost always swing outwards, to facilitate speedy evacuation in case of an emergency. In our case, it's mostly a design choice to maximize the interior space of the room.


 
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VampiressRN
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Posted: 2018-02-18 6:43 pm   Permalink

Looks like you have great bones (that need shoring up) to work from. I love those storage cabinets. At one time I had my glassware stored on open bamboo shelves, but then the glasses were always dusty. I found a great a cabinet on a local for sale site and had a friend clean it up, add more shelves, repair some of the bamboo style decor and stain it to match the rest of my bar woods. It turned out great and no more dusty glasses. You are blessed in that you have the construction skills to make your plans happen. I've had various plans over the years and some of them did not come to fruition because I couldn't find anyone to be able to do the work. So as time marches along my plans have changed many times. I look forward to watching your build and I like the military items incorporated into Tiki...fits for me. I'll bet you have some great collections.

We do our Cap City Tiki Bar Crawl the first weekend in October. Sacramento is not far from you so check out our event thread and join us on the crawl. You will get the opportunity to see so many different styles and approaches and ask experts how-to questions.

Have fun building.
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Hamo
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Posted: 2018-03-05 10:23 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2018-02-10 13:53, Prettyman's Atoll wrote:
I still have no idea how I'll handle ice (a problem with my existing bar)--at the very least, I'd like a place where I can leave an amount of ice and not have it mostly melted when I need it 15 minutes later.


Have you seen the Imbibe article with Adrian and his Desert Oasis Room? I thought of you when I read this:

http://imbibemagazine.com/home-tiki-bar-adrian-eustaquio/

“For small groups, Eustaquio fills a diving helmet–shaped ice bucket from the ‘60s, but for a larger crowd, he wheels out an upright drinks cooler that he adapted to his own purposes. ‘It’s basically a Red Bull cooler that I decorated in such a way that it matches the lamps,’ he says. ‘It holds 50 pounds of ice, and I can wheel it around, so If I need to fill it up again I can just wheel it into the kitchen. There’s no sink in the bar, so at the end of the night, I can wheel it outside and empty the water there.’”



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tikitube
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Posted: 2018-03-06 06:52 am   Permalink

This looks like an exciting project! I also had a chance to build our tiki room from the ground up, but didn't decide to actually make it a tiki room until it had already been framed. So we were still a bit limited.

One of the best aspects of starting fresh is that you can actually design and build your space around some of the larger items you plan to include, allowing you to feature/highlight them, and make them an integral part of the flow.

Best of luck, and I look forward to seeing your progress!

Jeff


 
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Prikli Pear
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From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted: 2018-03-06 07:20 am   Permalink

Quote:

Have you seen the Imbibe article with Adrian and his Desert Oasis Room?



An upright, passive (ie unpowered) wheeled cooler would be perfect for me. As soon as I saw that Imbibe article, I started looking for one. Unfortunately, they don't seem to be available retail--special order for vendors or such. I'll wager Adrian got one that was being "retired" by a convenience store. An Ebay search shows there's one available in Spring, about 200 miles away. Pick-up only. Not exactly convenient.

[Edit] It appears my search terms were lacking. "Ice barrel cooler" turns up a decent number of hits for this particular design, mostly targeted at retail stores, but available for purchase by us home bar enthusiasts.
https://www.webstaurantstore.com/irp-ice-hawk-5005-insulated-portable-round-barrel-beverage-cooler-merchandiser-with-lid-and-70-qt-black/465IRP5005BK.html

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Prettyman's Atoll
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From: Pinole, California
Posted: 2018-03-06 10:20 am   Permalink

Hamo, Prikli -- Thank you once again for your suggestions. I was originally thinking of going with an icemaker that had built-in refrigeration for the ice, since I'll have both power and cold water lines, but this has got me thinking more along your lines. I couldn't find any icemakers that were small enough, affordable enough, and that produced enough ice, so going this route makes things a good deal simpler.

An update on the planning process—after almost three weeks of waiting, I've finally got an appointment to meet with the planner/inspector at the building permit office in 30 minutes for an initial conversation to discover what they'll let me do, what they won't let me do, and what they'll charge for the permit. I'm hoping this goes better than the discussion with the local utility who has a 1923 easement over essentially my entire backyard that prevents me from doing anything more than putting in a vegetable garden.


 
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