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Tiki Roa
Tiki Centralite

Joined: Mar 12, 2016
Posts: 67
From: Hawaiki
Posted: 2018-04-28 9:10 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2018-04-27 20:52, Prikli Pear wrote:
I like Buffett, but I'm of the First Church of Buffett, Orthodox persuasion. He hit his stride as a songwriter during the Key West days, and produced some great narrative lyrics. Tiki was in its death throes, so to speak, and his mantra of the time was to cast off society's expectations and restraints and live life for yourself. Then came Margaritaville, which in and of itself is a tight piece of musical storytelling, but folks who became Parrotheads heard it as a call to get liquored up on margaritas rather than the cautionary, elegiac tale it is (I mean, really, it's not a party song). Everyone wanted more Margaritavilles, and so I think Buffett started writing to appease those fans, and he lost his way in the 80s. He still wrote good songs on occasion, but much of his music became second-rate copies of what he was doing in the 70s. Now the commercialism has taken over and he's just cashing in.

By all accounts he seems to be a decent fellow and someone worth hanging out with, but damn. I mean, retirement communities? I can't even begin to grok that.


Tiki is real buffett is fake
A parrothead does not a tikiphile make
Tiki exists in an earlier time in an earlier place
When men were men and dames were broads
When south sea island magic....has taken possession of me
Drinks were strong and polynesian pu puís were


 
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Tiki Roa
Tiki Centralite

Joined: Mar 12, 2016
Posts: 67
From: Hawaiki
Posted: 2018-04-28 10:15 pm   Permalink

....were whats for dinner

Tiki is polynesian restaurants serving carribean rum drinks and cantonese eggrolls
When a tropical escape to paradise was next to a Howard johnsonís
It was just culture not Tiki culture
It owned the 50ís howie cunningham in a fez
It owned the 60ís blue hawaii and gilligan
It owned the 70ís bobby brady meets don ho
If buffett brought you here of you i would be in fear
For lux and ivy his dame brought me here
......cue....do the clam


 
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EnchantedTikiGoth
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Dec 31, 2003
Posts: 325
From: Calgary, Canada
Posted: 2018-04-28 10:54 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2018-04-27 15:32, tiki-riviera wrote:
My favorite tiki drink is a Pina Colada. But at least I drink it out of a tiki mug and I make mine with pineapple ice cream.



Whoa, that's controversial? Crap, I've been drinking Pina Coladas out of the bottle, mixed with some I'm Bananas Over You and Amarula. I'm totally Tikiing wrong!

With any subculture, you don't want to keep solid boundaries. What you do want to keep is a solid core, because that anchors the subculture. Then you can have the fuzzy edges that overlap with other subcultures and interests... Keep the "pure Tiki" at the core and at the edges have burlesque, hot rods, classic Vegas, Disney, vintage monster chic, surf, pre-war Polynesian romanticism, actual Polynesian culture, Jimmy Buffet, Route 66, whatever. You want to have flexibility, individuality, and innovation, but still have a central common reference point.

Oh yeah, I got another one... Volcano Bay is too Party City for me. I like Typhoon Lagoon better as a tropical escape-themed waterpark.


 
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AceExplorer
Grand Member (7 years)  

Joined: Apr 03, 2008
Posts: 2461
From: Deep in the Jacksonville Florida jungle.
Posted: 2018-04-29 06:56 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2018-04-28 22:54, EnchantedTikiGoth wrote:
With any subculture, you don't want to keep solid boundaries. What you do want to keep is a solid core, because that anchors the subculture. Then you can have the fuzzy edges that overlap with other subcultures and interests... Keep the "pure Tiki" at the core and at the edges have burlesque, hot rods, classic Vegas, Disney, vintage monster chic, surf, pre-war Polynesian romanticism, actual Polynesian culture, Jimmy Buffet, Route 66, whatever. You want to have flexibility, individuality, and innovation, but still have a central common reference point.

Oh yeah, I got another one... Volcano Bay is too Party City for me. I like Typhoon Lagoon better as a tropical escape-themed waterpark.



Very well said. I think this is really thought-provoking, especially about keeping a solid core of tiki aficionados. No matter what we think or do, others will continue to adapt and innovate.

Btw, the water park at Wild Adventures in Valdosta GA (the park where the ending scenes from Zombieland were filmed) is also Party City tiki. Nobody there knows any better, and they don't care, because it is a colorful and fun environment. (It was sold to them that way by their concept developer after they went through a public opinion survey selection process - people who were annual passholders chose that theme in an online series of surveys.) It's not truly tiki in a pure sense, but definitely tiki-influenced. I'll take that over nothing at all, and definitely over some lame cartoon character theming which others have done.

Oh, one more thing... How many of us, as a direct result of true tiki, will ever come to settle for lousy cocktails in our lifetimes? Thanks to tiki, many of us have discovered a whole new super high quality cocktail world above what the general population is often stuck drinking. Thank you TIKI. I am keeping an open mind though, and I like to look for contributions from other side-genres. (Examples: Surf rock = fun music. Burlesque = boobs - haha!)


 
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tikitube
Grand Member (first year)  

Joined: Apr 25, 2017
Posts: 260
From: Ozark Underwater Cliffs
Posted: 2018-04-29 07:19 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2018-04-28 22:15, Tiki Roa wrote:
....were whats for dinner

Tiki is polynesian restaurants serving carribean rum drinks and cantonese eggrolls
When a tropical escape to paradise was next to a Howard johnsonís
It was just culture not Tiki culture
It owned the 50ís howie cunningham in a fez
It owned the 60ís blue hawaii and gilligan
It owned the 70ís bobby brady meets don ho
If buffett brought you here of you i would be in fear
For lux and ivy his dame brought me here
......cue....do the clam



Tiki culture will always mean different things to different people, depending on how they were introduced to it and what kind of regular presence it has in their lives.

While we can all try to agree (or disagree) about the details of what constitutes tiki purity, an attitude of snobbish elitism isn't going to help keep tiki culture alive or attractive to future generations.

Whether we like it or not, this is not your grandfather's tiki...


 
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EnchantedTikiGoth
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Dec 31, 2003
Posts: 325
From: Calgary, Canada
Posted: 2018-04-29 08:05 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2018-04-29 07:19, tikitube wrote:
Tiki culture will always mean different things to different people, depending on how they were introduced to it and what kind of regular presence it has in their lives.



Yep... It was Disney what brung me to the dance, so my sense of Tiki for me is very much rooted in the Enchanted Tiki Room, Jungle Cruise, Adventureland aesthetic, dappled with 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea because I'm even more of a fan of Jules Verne and
Victorian Sci-Fi than I am of Tiki. Coming from that angle brings in mermaids and pirates and monsters and other fantastical things... For me, places like Typhoon Lagoon and Weeki Wachi Springs and movies like King Kong have more to do with what makes Tiki appealing to me than does burlesque and hot rods, even though none of those things are strictly Tiki themselves. But all that said, I can recognize that there is a core of what Tiki is that serves as my reference point. I'm well aware that I'm shambling about more in Tiki's fuzzy edges.

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GROG
Grand Member (first year)  

Joined: Jun 21, 2006
Posts: 7209
From: Tujunga
Posted: 2018-04-29 10:32 am   Permalink

Tiki Bob sucks. It's not even a Tiki.

 
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MadDogMike
Grand Member (8 years)  

Joined: Mar 30, 2008
Posts: 9209
From: The Anvil of the Sun
Posted: 2018-04-30 09:05 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2018-04-29 10:32, GROG wrote:
Tiki Bob sucks. It's not even a Tiki.





 
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Quince_at_Dannys
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Mar 29, 2004
Posts: 188
From: Command Records International HQ
Posted: 2018-04-30 09:21 am   Permalink

Here's my hot take:

The Painkiller is a terrible drink. Even a "good" one is one dimensional and way too sweet.





 
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LoungeShark
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Apr 10, 2009
Posts: 196
From: Columbus, Ohio
Posted: 2018-05-01 10:29 am   Permalink

Mmmmm...Painkillers....that's what I make in batch when tailgating at Buffett. Ha.

 
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HopeChest
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Oct 19, 2015
Posts: 397
From: East Bay, CA
Posted: 2018-05-01 2:27 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2018-04-30 09:21, Quince_at_Dannys wrote:
Here's my hot take:

The Painkiller is a terrible drink. Even a "good" one is one dimensional and way too sweet.




I'll row that boat out even further - I feckin' HATE coconut.


 
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MrBaliHai
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Jun 01, 2002
Posts: 875
From: Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Posted: 2018-05-01 5:54 pm   Permalink

The Exotica and Tiki revival was kickstarted by a Southern California Neo-Nazi/Industrial-music enthusiast named Boyd Rice, who played Martin Denny records over the PA before his concerts, and the staff of Flipside Magazine, who hung out at the Tiki Ti way before it was hip.

 
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Cammo
Tiki Socialite

Joined: May 18, 2006
Posts: 2028
From: San Diego
Posted: 2018-05-04 09:51 am   Permalink

"Classic" Tiki drinks like the Mai Tai were just already existing cocktails that substituted cheap crappy rums (and cheap, bitter seed-free limes instead of yummy lemons) for the more expensive original ingredients; Don and Vic didn't invent any drinks.

eg. the Mai Tai is just a Sidecar, but uses Rum instead of $$$ Cognac.

Try a Sidecar, they're amazing.



 
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MadDogMike
Grand Member (8 years)  

Joined: Mar 30, 2008
Posts: 9209
From: The Anvil of the Sun
Posted: 2018-05-04 10:03 am   Permalink

Cammo IS alive!!!!!

 
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Cammo
Tiki Socialite

Joined: May 18, 2006
Posts: 2028
From: San Diego
Posted: 2018-05-04 10:19 am   Permalink

AND KICKING!!!!

 
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