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Mariner Mike's Below Decks [Completed!]
hiltiki
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Posted: 2018-09-18 08:21 am   Permalink

Great job on the light floats, looking forward to more pictures.

 
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Mariner Mike
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Posted: 2018-10-12 10:48 am   Permalink

Ahoy!
It feels like it's been a while, but finally I'm out of the desert that is wiring! The outlet circuit has been run.
I spent so many evenings screwing in boxes, twisting on wire nuts, and manhandling copper wires that my hands were just shy of mutiny.
There are two GFCI protected outlets under the bar, two between the bar and the door, and one on the far side of the bar. The two immediately either side of the bar are on a switch because plug in lights are going to go there. The gfci ones and the one closest to the door aren't because they will have appliances hooked up.
Here's a few pictures:




I really like the way the sheathed cable looks along the stone, it's got a kind of remote outpost vibe going on.
So then there was the moment of truth. I turned off the main breaker, unscrewed the cover, figure out where I can hook the neutral and ground to. Put the breaker in, throw the main switch, and then the new one, and POP. I about had a heart attack, but then I realized it was just the GFCI reset. Button must've been halfway in when it got installed. I reset it, and voila!.

The outlets worked. It's been a couple nights since, I've been checking on it and no issues after that first scare.

On to the plumbing next, then furniture and the promised land of decorating!

To make up for the light amount of photos this update, I'll end on a few shots of Luau Laura and I visiting Three Dots and Lost Lake on our trip to Chicago a couple weeks ago. Cheers!









 
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Posted: 2018-10-15 07:36 am   Permalink

Great to see the wiring went through without (much of) a hitch! Electrical work always gets me jittery, since it's not my forte. We had an electrician come in to connect the mini split AC for The Wife's photo studio. I'd done all the other wiring for it (converted garage). The electrician came down from the attic space and asked me who did all the wiring.

"Here we go," I thought. "He's going to ream me for all sorts of mistakes." Instead, he told me it was a very good job and he doesn't normally see them that thorough. What a relief!

That conduit does look pretty cool on the rock wall (which, in and of itself, is fantastic). Do you have any plans to give the conduit a patina of age? Rust it up with strategically applied paint? Regardless, I'm eager to see the next phase of your build.
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Mariner Mike
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Posted: 2018-10-16 05:46 am   Permalink

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On 2018-10-15 07:36, Prikli Pear wrote:
Great to see the wiring went through without (much of) a hitch! Electrical work always gets me jittery, since it's not my forte. We had an electrician come in to connect the mini split AC for The Wife's photo studio. I'd done all the other wiring for it (converted garage). The electrician came down from the attic space and asked me who did all the wiring.

"Here we go," I thought. "He's going to ream me for all sorts of mistakes." Instead, he told me it was a very good job and he doesn't normally see them that thorough. What a relief!

That conduit does look pretty cool on the rock wall (which, in and of itself, is fantastic). Do you have any plans to give the conduit a patina of age? Rust it up with strategically applied paint? Regardless, I'm eager to see the next phase of your build.




Thanks!

Yeah, I went in to the wiring very confident, but I did develop some jitters over time. Everything about the logic of the wiring made sense to me, and I had checked all of it against the black and decker home wiring book (heartily recommended, it showed me exactly what I needed to do). I got started and quickly realized that there was a lot I didn't know, mostly about size and type boxes, wire clamps and wire nuts. I had triple checked what I needed as far as the wire itself, the right gauge for the amperage, making sure I hooked the right wires for the fixtures etc, but in retrospect I underestimated how potentially complicated the actual assembly could be. There was definitely a point in the middle where I was worried I'd really messed something up, and to make sure I went back and double checked my work, most especially the grounding.

I hadn't had any thoughts of aging the conduit! It's a good idea. I think I'll hold off for now though. In the dimmer lighting and with the rest of the furniture put in I'm hoping it won't stand out too much, but if it does I'll definitely remember the suggestion. Maybe even just some very thinned down reddish brown paint to darken it up.


 
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tikiskip
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Posted: 2018-10-16 06:15 am   Permalink

One way to do that is to build a "knee wall" this is a wall that bumps out about four inches the width of a 4x4 and about 4 feet tall then put all that electric behind the Knee wall.

Then you have a four or even six inch wide cap that goes on top of the Knee wall that serves as a nice small ledge or shelf for drinks or even your mug collection to sit on.
This wall also helps to break up the stone and would allow for some bamboo or even old barn wood on the lower part of your wall.

Just another way to do it.
With that wall mounted Metal Clad Armored Cable being so low this maybe a code violation as a person could hook up on it and pull it out of the wall by mistake.
Code can be kinda over safe like that.
But that would not be an issue till you sell the house.

Good luck on your build.

Here is a Knee wall on the outside of our house we put in.
This one is reverse of what you would have, that is stone on the bottom and wood on top.


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tikiskip
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Posted: 2018-10-16 11:59 am   Permalink

"According to NEC Article 330.30, MC cable must be supported and secured at intervals of 6 feet or less (unless routed through a framing member) and cables containing four or fewer conductors sized no larger than 10 AWG must be secured within 12 inches of every termination."

Looks like you are good on that one.

"Where not subject to physical abuse, Type MC Cables are permitted to be installed as service, feeder, and branch circuit cables for lighting, power, control, and signaling circuits."

Who knows what they call "not subject to physical abuse" but this is the one I was thinking about.

https://www.ecmag.com/section/systems/review-metal-clad-cable-requirements

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Mariner Mike
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Posted: 2018-10-16 1:09 pm   Permalink

Thanks for the research Tikiskip. I tried to follow code best I could but I'm not an expert by any means.

There are a handful of outlets in my house wired with exposed metal clad cable due to exposed brick walls, and the inspector didn't have any issue with them. Of course, there may well be a reason I'm not aware of why one might work and another not, and I'd defer to those who know more than I on that.


 
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tikiskip
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Posted: 2018-10-17 02:51 am   Permalink

Glad it was not a problem.
But then our inspector was ok with a electric panel under our kitchen sink, that can't be ok.

I'm sure they will not ok it when we go to sell.

"I'm not aware of why one might work and another not,"
All it takes is one lose wire, pop out the outlet and check.
I never use those holes in the back of the outlet but wrap the wire around the screw instead.

One other thing that can happen is they ring the copper wire when they strip off the coating and that breaks lose after time.

Turn off the circuit before you look at it.

I used to be an electrician of sorts at OSU.


 
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Mariner Mike
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Posted: 2018-10-17 08:08 am   Permalink

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On 2018-10-17 02:51, tikiskip wrote:
Glad it was not a problem.
But then our inspector was ok with a electric panel under our kitchen sink, that can't be ok.



When I bought the house apparently both the city inspector and the inspector I hired somehow missed the fact that the contractor renovating the house had stuck heavy gauge wires where the meter was supposed to be and covered it with cardboard (outdoors) so as to avoid the power bill. Power company was very confused when I called up to switch the account to my name. They had to send a guy out to fix it. Downside is I have a power bill but much, much better that than the god only knows what sorts of safety issues could have arisen.

Other side of the fence I've had inspectors in at my workplace (not in the construction or contracting field but for spaces we were having work done on) take tape measures to measure the distance between a toilet and the TP roll for ADA and and halt construction for months based on fire code questions that turned out to be ok. That's their job and inconvenience is preferable to injury. But it all goes to show there are definitely all sorts out there conducting inspections.


 
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Posted: 2018-10-17 2:32 pm   Permalink

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On 2018-10-17 08:08, Mariner Mike wrote:
Other side of the fence I've had inspectors in at my workplace (not in the construction or contracting field but for spaces we were having work done on) take tape measures to measure the distance between a toilet and the TP roll for ADA and and halt construction for months based on fire code questions that turned out to be ok. That's their job and inconvenience is preferable to injury. But it all goes to show there are definitely all sorts out there conducting inspections.



I can't tell you how many times I've fallen off the commode at work while reaching for the toilet paper. Of course it usually happened after I'd been drinking heavily in the Yellow Liver Room (former conference room converted to a bar), but it's a still a very serious issue.


 
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Sandbartender
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Posted: 2018-10-17 2:37 pm   Permalink

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On 2018-10-17 08:08, Mariner Mike wrote:

When I bought the house apparently both the city inspector and the inspector I hired somehow missed the fact that the contractor renovating the house had stuck heavy gauge wires where the meter was supposed to be and covered it with cardboard (outdoors) so as to avoid the power bill. Power company was very confused when I called up to switch the account to my name. They had to send a guy out to fix it. Downside is I have a power bill but much, much better that than the god only knows what sorts of safety issues could have arisen.




Wow! I can't imagine the hell that would break loose once rain or animals got to the mains.

The bar is looking fantastic so far. I love the rock wall. It's a really great look.


 
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tikiskip
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Posted: 2018-10-17 3:33 pm   Permalink

Here is a light that may work for down and even up lighting.
And below is an image of what your wall may look like with the down lights, just add Bosco.


You could have blue light going up and yellow lights going down your wall, Moody.


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tikiskip
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Posted: 2018-10-18 05:38 am   Permalink

That is a bit too much though I admit.
Here is a light that may work for down and even up lighting.
And below is an image of what your wall may look like with the down lights, just add Bosco.



You could have blue light going up and yellow lights going down your wall, Moody.



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Mariner Mike
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Posted: 20 days ago; 10:45 am   Permalink

Aloha and Ahoy!

I know I've left you guys hanging for some time, but Mariner Mike's Below Decks finally opened this New Year's Eve! Completion and party pictures at the end of the post!

But first, the last of the story:
When we last left off, I had just finished the wiring and was about to start the plumbing.

I found a great sink from the orange big box store online, square and nice and deep so I can get those big mugs in there.


The plumbing was actually surprisingly easy once we got everything we needed. Turns out Pex bite fittings really are that simple.


Once the plumbing was done, there was the much hated job of cleaning up all the dust and construction leftovers strewn about. Started out with a broom and a shopvac, quickly learned just how fine construction dust can be. a quick trip to the hardware store for a new HEPA filter for the shopvac and a mask for me and We were finally able to get that finished.

Unfortunately the big shelf from the old place wouldn't fit in the new, so we replaced it with one from Ikea, which we then stained to match


The floor doesn't even remotely resemble level (it's an old previously dirt floor basement, and the back half slopes for drainage) so I affixed it to the wall best I could


Not exactly earthquake proof but that's one advantage of living out on the east coast (but so far away from the tiki greats)!

We found some fantastic wood tile "flooring" to give the effect of being on a ship, and got a couple of natural looking woven brown rugs for the back


I spray painted the PVC drain pipe with flat black primer to keep it from reflecting so much light,

covered that side wall with reed fencing,

and then put up thatch to cover the HVAC vent

As I'm sure any of you who've worked with thatch already know, we had to give it a pretty significant haircut to bring it in line, but we're really happy with the result, messy as it might have been.


This left one major piece left: barrels. I've wanted to put barrels in the bar going all the way back to the old place, and the nautical / shipping crate style I was going for really felt like I could swing it. I did some research and found out that there is a barrel warehouse not too far outside the city, and quite convenient to my day job:
Northeast Barrel Company. If any of you guys happen to be near here and are looking for barrels, I heartily recommend giving these guys a shout, they really hooked me up, and I always love a chance to support a local business.

That being said, my day felt like a story completely out of time long past. After making an appointment to come in, my brother and I pull up in my dad's pickup truck (because there's no way I could fit barrels in my Focus RS). There's no clear front entrance, but we can clearly see barrels through the window, and the smell of dried spirits and wood is heavy on the air. We climb up to their outdoor loading dock. We know we're in the right place. It's an old brick building that was clearly built there to be serviced by the old Reading Railroad line (now a commuter line) that goes past. A guy is unloading a tractor trailer at the outdoor loading dock, so we call up, "Hey, we're here to see about some barrels."

(Google Street view for reference)
Turns out there were stairs just the other side of the truck. So we climb up, and get to talking. He showed me the different Wine and spirits barrels they had available, then we went over to the ones they call "furniture grade", aka not-refillable. a couple of them caught my eye, and when he told me they were old rum barrels I was sold. They used to hold Flor de Caña 12 year, and they're about 30 years old. Perfect. Hand over some cash, back the pickup to the dock, and we slide the barrels right in. All the trappings of a classic backdoor deal.

Unfortunately it was raining that day. But we did come prepared. We brought pallet bags, which are large enough to be slid over the barrels, to keep the rain out, and we cinched up a strap to keep them from sliding around.

I get about halfway home, and I see in my rearview mirror that one of the barrels is uncovered. "Oh no," I'm thinking, "did i have a bag go flying off on the highway?" I get to a gas station and thank goodness it just slid off the top and was still strapped in. I slid the bag back over and continued on my way. Monitored my speed to keep it from coming off again, but I did have to stop a second time to re-secure.

I finally get them back home. Of course, I live in the city and have street parking, which does not make unloading a barrel the easiest thing in the world. But I took a page out of the old stevedore playbook and rolled 'em down the sidewalk. Then I hoisted them in through the front door.






Some help and a little time later and we got them down to the bar



That last major thing in place we were finally able to unpack all the old stuff and start laying out the new.


We had long been shooting for New Year's Eve as our goal, and we hit it. We already had our friends coming over for a New Years party, and they were already buzzing about whether it would be open or not, so to set the stage we set out a sign.

A little before time I snuck downstairs and threw on a Hawaiian shirt and a Panama hat. As the clock turned over to 9:30, I queued up the sound system to play the "Treasure Island" theme from Muppet Treasure Island (It has that great air of mystery and feeling of escalation), and jumped out of the basement door. I led them all downstairs, and this is what awaited them:










And with that, we kicked off the second phase of the New Year's Party. I had batched Planters Punch and the Yuletidal Wave from the back of the Smugglers Cove book, and they both went over really well. Everyone loved the new place. I got more than a couple "you outdid yourselves". Two of my friends who live out in SF told me that they were instantly put in mind of Smuggler's Cove, which I took as high praise. And even better than complements, everyone had a great time. It proved that the layout and flow of the room works even when there's more people than I had in mind, which was a great thing to find out. It was a great night.

Here's some party pics to show off the bar in use:

















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Posted: 20 days ago; 10:54 am   Permalink

Well done! That has to be an overwhelmingly satisfying feeling - getting the bar open! The place looks great - I love the coffee table with the use of a teak boat grate - can tell that the room has a great feel!

 
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