FEATURES | MUSIC | BOOKS | DRINKS | FORUMS | GAMES | LINKS | ABOUT


advertise on Tiki Central

Celebrating classic and modern Polynesian Pop
  [Edit Profile]  [Edit Preferences]  [Search] [Sign Up]
[Personal Messages]  [Member List]  [Help/FAQ]  [Rules]  [Login]
Tiki Central Forums Ľ Ľ General Tiki Ľ Ľ International Market Place Will be horribly razed
Goto page ( Previous Page 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 Next Page )
International Market Place Will be horribly razed
AceExplorer
Grand Member (3 years)  

Joined: Apr 03, 2008
Posts: 943
From: Deep in the Jacksonville Florida jungle.
Posted: 2013-11-08 04:10 am   Permalink

A very good question! You would think that in a down economy there would be someone else with underused space who would welcome the vendors and provide a place to relocate. Simply relocate what you can to a new place, call it a "historic district" or something similar so as to be a nod to "old Waikiki." And do this in the similar manner that Kalakaua Street, Chinatown, Maunakea Streets, etc. have become known for their consolidations of lei stands and specialty shops. So if we can't prevent the loss of the IMP, then perhaps someone can profit by providing an alternate location and building a new destination-of-interest. (Profit is required to keep most things open, right?) I'm actually surprised I haven't heard anything from the local Chamber of Commerce or tourism promoters -- or do they all think the IMP became some sort of blight in the heart of Waikiki and needed to be permanently eradicated? I am a bit puzzled that the IMP didn't have a few alternate locations proposed, but I may have missed out on all that discussion if it happened.

 
View Profile of AceExplorer Send a personal message to AceExplorer  Email AceExplorer     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
christiki295
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Apr 09, 2003
Posts: 3811
From: LA-2547 mls east Hawaii &5500 Easter Is
Posted: 2013-11-08 9:49 pm   Permalink

Yes, maybe on the other side of Waikiki, by the Ft. Debussy park, just blocks away from Beachwalk.

Don't know if the federal government will lease "their" land. Also, don't know if the vendors pay enough rent for a larger private property owner to lease it to them, as opposed to some other commercial development.


 
View Profile of christiki295 Send a personal message to christiki295  Email christiki295     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
Kaiwaza
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Aug 06, 2003
Posts: 460
From: Waikiki Beach, Hawaii
Posted: 2013-11-10 5:53 pm   Permalink

Walked through IMP yesterday and took some pictures...much sadness there. Some of the restaurants in the food area have closed & quite a number of shops have shuttered their doors. It's heart breaking.









































_________________
Paradise is a state of mind.


 
View Profile of Kaiwaza Send a personal message to Kaiwaza  Email Kaiwaza     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
ron-tiki
Grand Member (first year)  

Joined: Feb 24, 2007
Posts: 381
From: los angeles
Posted: 2013-11-10 9:10 pm   Permalink

I think I'm going to cry! so many memories over the last 35 years of going there..


 
View Profile of ron-tiki Send a personal message to ron-tiki      Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
Mongoloid
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Apr 25, 2008
Posts: 585
From: Long Beach
Posted: 2013-11-11 1:01 pm   Permalink

Kaiwaza those pictures gave me chicken skin! Things take a lot longer in Hawaii to change but seeing those pictures drive home the reality of the situation, The International Marketplace is pau!

 
View Profile of Mongoloid Send a personal message to Mongoloid      Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
christiki295
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Apr 09, 2003
Posts: 3811
From: LA-2547 mls east Hawaii &5500 Easter Is
Posted: 2013-11-11 9:29 pm   Permalink

It may be that Waikiki has sold its soul for the development dollar, even if I don't necessarily completely blame the Queen Emma Foundation for maximizing its revenue to provide low cost healthcare and hospitalization. Now, to walk down Kalakau is to be surrounded by malls and hotels. There is little "Hawaii" left.

Sad, considering the history loss. Nevertheless, it now may be time to pass on Waikiki, in favor of Kaua'i. The Coconut Marketplace has the same IMP vibe, and it is off the ocean.













 
View Profile of christiki295 Send a personal message to christiki295  Email christiki295     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
PiPhiRho
Grand Member (first year)  

Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 1013
From: Redondo Beach
Posted: 2013-11-12 01:14 am   Permalink

I spent some time at the IMP the last few days. A lot of the shops are shuttered and empty. but there are still a lot of vendors there and the prices are really good. It really is a shame that it will be closing. The rest of Waikiki is pretty much just a giant shopping mall. Everything everywhere else is grossly expensive. I don't think I would really want to go back to Waikiki again. We had fun, but after three days of being stuck there without a car I was ready to leave. Now we're on Maui. Only been here a few hours, but I have a feeling I am not going to want to leave here.


 
View Profile of PiPhiRho Send a personal message to PiPhiRho  Email PiPhiRho Goto the website of PiPhiRho     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
AceExplorer
Grand Member (3 years)  

Joined: Apr 03, 2008
Posts: 943
From: Deep in the Jacksonville Florida jungle.
Posted: 2013-11-12 05:49 am   Permalink

I suggest that you cannot simply "pass on Waikiki" because there is still much to see and do there and on the rest of the island. Even though true Hawai`i is fading from Waikiki and the waterfront, it's still out there to be found. You just have to look a little harder. The same is also true for all the other islands.

Setting tiki aside for a moment, there is some incredible modern cocktail mixology to be found on the Waikiki waterfront. Consider having a couple drinks seated on the Waikiki Beach waterfront with Diamond Head in the background. It's definitely worthwhile, at least for an afternoon or evening. And if you stay one block inland, the room rates are surprisingly affordable due to the current economic downturn.


 
View Profile of AceExplorer Send a personal message to AceExplorer  Email AceExplorer     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
christiki295
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Apr 09, 2003
Posts: 3811
From: LA-2547 mls east Hawaii &5500 Easter Is
Posted: 2013-11-12 08:10 am   Permalink

Yes, oceanfront cocktails do still exist. I suppose one could go to Tiki's, although there are so many umbrellas on the patio now, I could barely see the Pacific ocean when I was there last year, or to the Royal Hawaiian, although a round of Mai Tais for 2 and a pizza cost approx $50.00.

But, in Waikiki, one practically has to be Sherlock Holmes to find true "Hawaii." On the street level below Tiki's, this is what one sees:



 
View Profile of christiki295 Send a personal message to christiki295  Email christiki295     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
AceExplorer
Grand Member (3 years)  

Joined: Apr 03, 2008
Posts: 943
From: Deep in the Jacksonville Florida jungle.
Posted: 2013-11-12 08:28 am   Permalink

Yes, absolutely true in Waikiki - it has become a high-end pukefest for those who seek some of the area's more real roots. I was suggesting not to write off the entire island. Those who look carefully, those who do research, and those who care to ask others for advice and information, can still be rewarded, even in Waikiki.

I will remember the IMP with fondness. (Especially when I see it pop up in the background of Elvis' "Blue Hawaii.") Progress is sometimes a strange irony, especially in this case. But the lack of "real" Hawai`i amid all the concrete and high-end retail may come to inspire someone else in the future. I will not give up hope that this is just a temporary and intermediate step in the ongoing evolution of Waikiki. Island tourism is merely 65 or 70 years old, and that's young. There will be others after us who may also come to miss the old Waikiki and the lush plants and trees and other features of the IMP. In my mind I will not be closing the book on what once was and what may come to happen again.


 
View Profile of AceExplorer Send a personal message to AceExplorer  Email AceExplorer     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
AceExplorer
Grand Member (3 years)  

Joined: Apr 03, 2008
Posts: 943
From: Deep in the Jacksonville Florida jungle.
Posted: 2013-11-12 08:31 am   Permalink

I should have said high-end and low-end pukefest... Just looked at that last photo again - it really is a ghastly mix of stuff there.

I will have to post some of my photos here in the next few weeks. Not much time remains before walls go up and the wrecking ball is invited into the once-grand and beautiful grounds of the IMP.
_________________


 
View Profile of AceExplorer Send a personal message to AceExplorer  Email AceExplorer     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
Mongoloid
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Apr 25, 2008
Posts: 585
From: Long Beach
Posted: 2013-11-12 10:23 am   Permalink

I think George Carlin said it best on mindless consumerism (wow does it apply to the IMP or what?). Excuse the curse words but I think it helps drive home the point.

It looked pretty good. It was pristine. Paradise. Have you seen it lately? Have you taken a good look at it lately? Itís fucking embarrassing. Only a nation of unenlightened halfwits could have taken this beautiful place and turned it into what it is today: a shopping mall. A big fuckiní shopping mall. You know that? Thatís all youíve got. Thatís all youíve got here folks. Mile after mile of mall after mall. Many, many malls. Major malls and mini malls. They put the mini malls in between the major malls. And in between the mini malls they put the mini marts. And in between the mini marts you got the car lots, gas stations, muffler shops, laundromats, cheap hotels, fast food joints, strip clubs, and dirty bookstores. America the beautiful: one big transcontinental commercial cesspool.


 
View Profile of Mongoloid Send a personal message to Mongoloid      Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
lucas vigor
Tiki Socialite

Joined: May 12, 2004
Posts: 3985
From: SOCAL
Posted: 2013-11-12 10:33 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2013-11-11 21:29, christiki295 wrote:
It may be that Waikiki has sold its soul for the development dollar, even if I don't necessarily completely blame the Queen Emma Foundation for maximizing its revenue to provide low cost healthcare and hospitalization. Now, to walk down Kalakau is to be surrounded by malls and hotels. There is little "Hawaii" left.

Sad, considering the history loss. Nevertheless, it now may be time to pass on Waikiki, in favor of Kaua'i. The Coconut Marketplace has the same IMP vibe, and it is off the ocean.















Where is that, Kapaa?


 
View Profile of lucas vigor Send a personal message to lucas vigor      Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
Mongoloid
Tiki Socialite

Joined: Apr 25, 2008
Posts: 585
From: Long Beach
Posted: 2013-11-12 10:40 am   Permalink


Where is that, Kapaa?
[/quote]

Yes just down the road from Coco Palms.


 
View Profile of Mongoloid Send a personal message to Mongoloid      Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
PiPhiRho
Grand Member (first year)  

Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 1013
From: Redondo Beach
Posted: 2013-11-12 10:53 am   Permalink

We had great fun in Waikiki. John-O's guide from a while back was good. We found the House Without a Key and I do think that was the best Mai Tai, although the Maitai Degeneres at the Royal Hawaiian was also excellent. There was also a drink called "Great Wall" that was very well crafted and delicious. We found a jazz club, Lewers Lounge, at the same hotel that served wonderful coctails and great music. We took a dinner cruise on the Ali'i Kai catamaran that was great fun. We found some smaller places serving local food inexpensively. Everything else is a chain. It's like Rodeo drive in places. Overpriced restaurants and shops that I could find anywhere in LA or New York. The hotels near the beach are luxury plus, but monstrously expensive. We stayed at a hotel near the canal that was much more affordable, but was the tiniest room I think I have ever stayed in. Not even a chair to sit in or a table to put anything on and very spotty internet access.

A Sax 5th Avenue will hardly be noticed among all of the other major department stores. The IMP was like a landmark. It was the only thing that looked different from everything else, and in the evening the trees were filled with birds, their songs blending with the sounds of the water in the fountains. the open air bars abd treehouse restaurants were a pleasnat escape from the rampant consumerism everywhere else.

I am not saying I will not return to Honolulu, but if I do I will not stay in Waikiki. I will stay outside of Waikiki and take the bus into Waikiki if I go there. Unless I win the lottery and have enough money to stay at a $400 and up a night hotel. Thw maybe I might spend a day or two at the Royal Hawaiian or the Halekulani or one of the others.


 
View Profile of PiPhiRho Send a personal message to PiPhiRho  Email PiPhiRho Goto the website of PiPhiRho     Edit/Delete This Post Reply with quote
Goto page ( Previous Page 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 Next Page )
U-Moderate:
  
v1.5

[ About Tiki Central | Contact Tiki Central | Advertise on Tiki Central ]
(c) 2000-2014 Tikiroom.com (tm), Tiki Central (tm)

Credits & copyright infomation