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International Market Place Will be horribly razed
msteeln
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Posted: 2014-03-29 12:40 pm   Permalink

"the tree is what people remember" If that's all people really remember about IMP then they must be post-boomer young to not remember what made the whole place special. The video tour did nothing but reinforce the sense of loss 40 years ago, not "a sense of place" (I'm SO sick of agenda idiots misusing that phrase!), and that they expect locals to be flocking there... it better be exceptional in ways they probably don't have any concept of.

 
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christiki295
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Posted: 2014-03-29 1:49 pm   Permalink

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[i]On 2014-03-29 12:40, msteeln wrote:

they expect locals to be flocking there... .




Waikiki is not particularly for locals, and Saks Fifth Avenue, the anchor store of the new IMP, certainly is not.
The Queen Emma Foundation should attempt to justify the destruction of a historical landmark by saying "the increase rent we can charge Saks and other high-end retailers" will maximize profits, which then can be used for healthcare for locals."

My first experience of seeing how locals were treated in Waikiki was seeing some Polynesian-looking young men, riding in a pick-up, pulled over by the police when they were trying to enter Waikiki.


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tikitonga
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Posted: 2014-06-10 11:05 am   Permalink

Here's what it looks like today...... Sad



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Phillip Roberts
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Posted: 2014-06-10 3:06 pm   Permalink

That's just so sad.

 
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Posted: 2014-06-10 4:12 pm   Permalink

Hear that gentle whirring sound? That's Donn, spinning in his grave. He was such a proponent of the Islands, and worked hard to keep their heritage alive. What a shame.
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JOHN-O
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Posted: 2014-06-10 4:47 pm   Permalink

Well at least Waikiki still has...

1. The Royal Hawaiian Hotel
2. Mai Tais at the Halekulani
3. The Musabi guy inside the Food Pantry
4. The honky tonk street scene of Kuhio Ave... competitive drink specials, strolling hookers, and drunk tourists. It's like a surreal time machine back to 1970's Las Vegas !!


 
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hiltiki
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Posted: 2014-06-10 6:10 pm   Permalink


Sad, loved that place, no matter what happened to it. Lot of good memories with Phillip.


 
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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2014-06-11 06:20 am   Permalink

JOHN-O, thanks for posting your short list of cool things to see and do in Waikiki. There are definitely still some nuggets there for those who care to look and find them.

I need to spend an evening and post photos from my last visit to the IMP. I knew the place probably wasn't going to last, but I don't think I knew yet that it was going to be torn down. And I really enjoyed the cheap souvenirs --- there was so much competition from all the booths that both pricing and selection exceeded what was available at the stores and open air markets pretty much at any of the islands. As sucky and trashy as the booth vendor environment was at times, it was still one of the best places to find neat new stuff to take home. The open-air market at Kona, however, had people selling old stuff, like real vintage (but overpriced) tiki mugs and other swap-meet/flea-market type stuff.

The IMP offered a lot of vendors selling real made-in-Hawaii clothing at unbelievably reasonable prices. If you needed a matching pair of outfits for you and your significant other, no problem, they had all kinds of matching stuff in addition to the usual high-quality island-made aloha shirts and related clothing. Again, because the shops were all so close together, the competition kept prices very reasonable. In one fell swoop you could pretty much find anything you wanted in a short period of time and at very reasonable prices. That's how I came home with a lifetime supply and selection of kukui nut necklaces which I sometimes wear to tiki events.

I keep hoping there will be something like it again later, maybe not on the main drag, but somewhere nearby. A "peoples" marketplace for the non-glitzy craftsmen, artisans, and families to sell their low-end but still very cool stuff. Maybe I'll retire to Hawaii and set something up. "Ace The Old Guy's Bizarre Bazaar." And then somewhere I must have a Dole Whip stand with hollowed-out pineapples overflowing with fresh pineapple chunks and overflowing with soft-serve Dole Whip just like they serve at the Dole Plantation. And right next to it, a refrigerated market that I'd call the "Poke' Palace." Gawd, I miss the poke' in Hawaii where you can walk into a big grocery store and they sell 20 different varieties of poke' in the deli section.

Yeah, I like these ideas. Sometimes progress is actually going back to the past. Kind of like our re-discovery of tiki and craft cocktails.

For all the negative things that have been said about the IMP in the past, there sure were a lot of good things there.


 
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christiki295
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Posted: 2014-06-11 07:46 am   Permalink

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On 2013-11-08 04:10, AceExplorer wrote:
A very good question! You would think that in a down economy there would be someone else with underused space who would welcome the vendors and provide a place to relocate. Simply relocate what you can to a new place, call it a "historic district" or something similar so as to be a nod to "old Waikiki." And do this in the similar manner that Kalakaua Street, Chinatown, Maunakea Streets, etc. have become known for their consolidations of lei stands and specialty shops. So if we can't prevent the loss of the IMP, then perhaps someone can profit by providing an alternate location and building a new destination-of-interest. (Profit is required to keep most things open, right?) I'm actually surprised I haven't heard anything from the local Chamber of Commerce or tourism promoters -- or do they all think the IMP became some sort of blight in the heart of Waikiki and needed to be permanently eradicated? I am a bit puzzled that the IMP didn't have a few alternate locations proposed, but I may have missed out on all that discussion if it happened.



Any news regarding the vendors relocating?


 
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Phillip Roberts
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Posted: 2014-06-11 10:36 am   Permalink

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On 2014-06-10 18:10, hiltiki wrote:

Sad, loved that place, no matter what happened to it. Lot of good memories with Phillip.



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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2014-06-11 3:38 pm   Permalink

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On 2014-06-11 07:46, christiki295 wrote:
Any news regarding the vendors relocating?



Not any that I have heard yet, although Philip lives there and might be one of the first to share good news when it comes.

The place meant enough to families, merchants, and restaurateurs economically that I am expecting someone to eventually step up and build something new. And if they learn from some of the "mistakes" inherent in past IMP operations, then they could really have something successful on their hands. Imagine what a new IMP could do for some currently low-traffic off-the-beaten-path money-hungry venue. I really am expecting it to happen in a new, re-imagined, and improved sort of way.
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Surfacabra
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Posted: 2014-06-19 5:22 pm   Permalink

Sucks. In recent years it was pretty much unchanged since I went there as a kid in the 70's and probably WAY before that. A fun area to go. Certainly a reminder to enjoy places that you like while they are here, as you never know when things might change...

 
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Phillip Roberts
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Posted: 2014-06-20 12:46 pm   Permalink

Aloha,



Yes, it does suck. And in response to several queries about the "stuff, Tiki, and others things in the International Market Place," that made the place what we love, let me just say that the people in charge over there were "not preservation minded."

Quick plug! If you haven't read "Waikiki Tiki: Art, History, and Photographs" it's still in print and available. The book is full of great pictures of the IMP.
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TikiTacky
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Posted: 2014-06-20 12:48 pm   Permalink

Waikiki Tiki is a great book! Happy to have it in my collection. Although if there's ever a reprint, I really hope there's an index.

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Phillip Roberts
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Posted: 2014-06-20 12:56 pm   Permalink

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On 2014-06-20 12:48, TikiTacky wrote:
Waikiki Tiki is a great book! Happy to have it in my collection. Although if there's ever a reprint, I really there's an index.



Mahalo Nui Loa. We did not do page numbers or an index because it was designed as an art book. I wanted you to have to look through often and appreciate the photos en mass. If you want to do an informal index here or elsewhere, I'll be happy to chime in.

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